Guns, Guns, Guns.
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The problem is two fold. We have a massive problem in this country of not getting individual with mental health problems the help they need. Second, weapons and ammo are far to assessable to people with mental health problems. I do not think that a firearm, any firearm, should not be in the same home as someone with problems with their mental health. If that means we bar people from having weapons in their homes if they live with such an individual fine.
As far as bans on certain weapons I'm not board. Just because an AR-15 or civilian AK are semi-auto does not mean they are not extremely deadly. Full auto is not really for killing people, but to put a large number of rounds down range as covering fire. Heck, had some of these shooters have full auto weapons the death toll may have been less because accuracy goes to shit. The new versions of the M-14 don't even have a full auto setting anymore for this reason.
...and no an assault rifle is not the same beast as a hunting rifle.
As far as ammo I think some type of permit should be required to buy it. That can be tied to pistol permits and the like.
I know the argument that bans and restrictions will not work because people can just get weapons illegally. They can, but the vast majority of these shooting have been with legal weapons. Perhaps some of the shoots would have gone an bought black market firearms but I think many would not have. There is a reason we see shooting like this far more than bombing even when a bomb can do far more damage. It is rare that a person would have all the components to make a bomb at the ready.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So the Kennesaw law swept corruption out of gubmint, did it? 'Cause that was the point of the discussion: the right to bear arms to keep gubmint in check.
No, that's NOT what the Founders had in mind, when the penned the 2nd Amendment. Govt is suppose to be kept in check by the citizens, at the ballot box. As well as abide by the laws of the land. It's when that govt becomes tyrannical, and starts to over step its bounds, ignoring the will of the people and the laws, that the people are obligated to defend themselves, and their freedoms.
But nice try, anyway.
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Try as I might, nowhere in the Constitution does it talk about the right to bear arms to reduce burglaries. But thanks for playing, and here's your booby prize:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next time, try to keep your eye on the target.
I did. You just didn't like the fact that crime rates were down as a result of more gun ownership.
And MD, per the pic you posted - I'd say not just your children, but ANY one. When your rights extend so far as to impede,infringe or limit the rights of others, then they've gone too far.
The fault isn't w/ the gun, the mother, or " society " , it lies w/ the monster who committed these heinous acts.
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates
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it lies w/ the monster
Hello,
I guess with the monster dead, the problem is solved. No more thought need be given.
--Anthony
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Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
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Saved us the cost and pain of a trial, at least.
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Its amazing that anyone survived once those policemen got there and the killing could really begin...because in your opinion they are the the real murderers...even though not one shot was fired by literally hundreds of responding police.
One shot WAS fired BECAUSE of them, though. On the whole, I'm not sure if it wasn't a mercy for that messed up kid to take his own life. Imagine living with the knowledge of what he had done. If he was even capable of understanding anymore.
But I do feel the same irritation you all do at these people who don't have the good graces to commit suicide without taking a bunch of other people with them. Is it so important for them to feel important, powerful, and get revenge? Hey, things go wrong in life and we're ALL unknown unacknowledged misunderstood and stuck on this shithole together. They need to get over themselves, this is just TIRESOME.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, that's NOT what the Founders had in mind, when the penned the 2nd Amendment. Govt is suppose to be kept in check by the citizens, at the ballot box. As well as abide by the laws of the land. It's when that govt becomes tyrannical, and starts to over step its bounds, ignoring the will of the people and the laws, that the people are obligated to defend themselves, and their freedoms.
Read the amendment again. What the they had in mind was keeping militias ready for state and national defense. Not to keep the government in check.
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"I guess with the monster dead, the problem is solved. No more thought need be given."
Until the next one, and the next, and the next ... because there will be more. If this were a society of angels we could brush off our hands in a satisfied gesture of finality and know we're done. But I know we're not and so do you.
What I find incredible about you all is that you'd rather cling to the SYMBOL of freedom - your fetishized gun - and abandon the actual practice of it, which is society making decisions for itself. And I'd like to point out that being anti-government - doesn't make you pro-freedom. As you all have so amply demonstrated.
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And I'd like to point out that being anti-government - doesn't make you pro-freedom. As you all have so amply demonstrated.
I'm not following. Please elaborate.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I guess with the monster dead, the problem is solved. No more thought need be given."
Until the next one, and the next, and the next ... because there will be more. If this were a society of angels we could brush off our hands in a satisfied gesture of finality and know we're done. But I know we're not and so do you.
Hello,
Yes, I do know it. I posted that to mock Mr. Raptor's silly simplistic perception of the scenario.
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What I find incredible about you all is that you'd rather cling to the SYMBOL of freedom - your fetishized gun - and abandon the actual practice of it, which is society making decisions for itself.
There's probably a bit more to freedom than 'society' making decisions for itself. Society can decide some pretty horrific things for itself that actually diminish freedom. There's no one magic key to freedom. It's a lot of things.
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And I'd like to point out that being anti-government - doesn't make you pro-freedom. As you all have so amply demonstrated.
I'm not sure what you mean by this? I enjoy having a support structure, i.e. government. What has been amply demonstrated by what action and by whom to your mind?
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I guess with the monster dead, the problem is solved. No more thought need be given."
Until the next one, and the next, and the next ... because there will be more. If this were a society of angels we could brush off our hands in a satisfied gesture of finality and know we're done. But I know we're not and so do you.
So what do you want to do about the monsters to come? Wouldn't it be better to prevent them from becoming monsters in the first place?
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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