Palestine Won Big at the U.N.
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 16:09
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NewOld, in my opinion there should be no question that the original inhabitants have rights. But in my opinion it's also irrelevant, since every conquering nation has ignored that, from our Native Americans to the Aborigines Down Under to the Palestinians to every other native culture I can think of. It is, as Frem said, a sad but real fact which will probably never change, in this case until enough power comes in to demand they be given their rights, which I also doubt seeing happen, since we're the major power in the situation. I can't envision America ever becoming truly even-handed about the issue, sadly.
I am pro-Israel, we've had that discussion before. I won't make the argument formally, but you make the Jewish case pretty well: they were there FIRST, in 500 BC, so they have some rights. And they're there NOW, by might, force of arms, settlement, and conquest. So they have some pretty good rights from that. Whatever happened in between, good or bad; in 70AD; or 642; or 1948; or 1956; or 1967; or 1973; in Germany or Auschwitz or in the Lebanon war or the attacks on Gaza; is not relevant.
With respect,
LArry
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Geezer say:
Now can you get those Norman bastards out of Britain?
Frem say:
Sure, why don't we send them to Ireland ?
NOBC say:
I thought them Norman bastards was cheese eatin', frog humpin'
surrender monkeys from France...( oh hey, I left out potato fryin', toast makin'.)
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I'm not arguing that Israel shouldn't have rights, my question is why BOTH sides shouldn't have rights.
Do you approve of the atrocities Israel has perpetuated against the Palestinians?
Then there's the argument that them coming back and taking the land by force is no better than them having been evicted in the first place. Two wrongs don't make a right, and the things Israel has done to Palestine are indefensible, in my opinion.
To me there's a difference between a people coming back to where they began and taking back their land, and a people coming back, taking back their land, and abusing those who live there. The difference between the wealth and power of Israel and the lack of both by Palestine makes it an unequal struggle at best, and our part in creating that inequality angers me.
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Hi NewOld, I'm pro Israel too. But I do think that the Palestinians should be respected as fellow humans with rights more than they are currently. I'm sure you do too. Its a tough issue, making sure everyone gets what they need and should have.
Yes the Normans are French. The good thing about those Normans though is that they tended to assimilate into what they conquered, sure they took over in Ireland in the ruling positions, and that isn't desirable to me, but they settled in and Gaelicized themselves before long, at least most of them did, so it wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been. Things got really rutted up though once QE1 showed up on the scene, everything went downhill from there, talk about slippery slope, it all fell apart.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Thank you, Riona:Quote:
I do think that the Palestinians should be respected as fellow humans with rights more than they are currently. I'm sure you do too. Its a tough issue, making sure everyone gets what they need and should have.
That's the point I was trying to make. My emotions get in the way of good communication, so you said it much better.
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but you make the Jewish case pretty well: they were there FIRST, in 500 BC, so they have some rights.
Not according to the biblical history, but ok, let's say this is true.
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And they're there NOW, by might, force of arms, settlement, and conquest. So they have some pretty good rights from that.
Wait, what?
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Whatever happened in between, good or bad; in 70AD; or 642; or 1948; or 1956; or 1967; or 1973; in Germany or Auschwitz or in the Lebanon war or the attacks on Gaza; is not relevant.
Does a Palestinian family living and farming on the same spot for hundreds of years up until 1948, have any right to that land?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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I'm 'outta this thread and stayin' out. This is all too complex and nit-picky for me.
I am pro-Israel, on a macro, welt-politik level, but maybe only by a 51-49 % vote ( or 53-47 ?). I do not approve of everything that the Israeli government has ever done, but I do approve of more that they have done, since 1947, than what their enemies have done and continue to do.
I am sure that they have transgressed against the rights of some certain individuals, and been ABSOLUTELY *W*R*O*N*G* in some responses and situations. I am of the opinion that their opponents have been and done worse.
If a Palestinian family had property rights in 1948, I AM NOT SURE if they retain those rights still in 2012. On an individual level, the situation there is a mess.
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Fair enough. I would put to you that no matter the Palestinians behaviour, no people should be eternally stripped of land for crimes they have comitted. We didn't take land off Germany and Japan as a punishment for WW2. We did take land off Germany after WW1 - that was partly what lead to WW2...
It's not personal. It's just war.
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“Takbir” translates or interpreted as “the pedophile Moongod demon al-Lah is claimed to be the Greatest” it encapsulates the core belief in the supremacy of a Devil Pedophile Terrorist Moongod al-Lah
Really fucking dumbass Crowd gathered in Sydney, Australia near Opera House chants "gas the Jews"
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1711533311913345061
A suspected Hamas militant hijacked a bulldozer in Hebron. He learned the FAFO equation through an object lesson.
https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1711286081596047616
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Israeli army fires ‘warning shots’ at French and other diplomats visiting West Bank
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250521-israeli-army-fires-wa
rning-shots-at-french-and-other-diplomats-visiting-west-bank
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