British couple have foster children removed from their care due to their political party affiliation
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What I find repugnant is the automatic stance by you in thinking I was talking FORCED sterilization as an option,only, and not even considering I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother. And at no cost to her, either.
Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.
We think nothing of free abortions for the poor, yet why is it so horrific to suggest free sterilizations, to those in extreme, dire situations instead ?
What, too radical for you ?
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What I find repugnant is the automatic stance by you in thinking I was talking FORCED sterilization as an option,only, and not even considering I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother. And at no cost to her, either.
Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.
We think nothing of free abortions for the poor, yet why is it so horrific to suggest free sterilizations, to those in extreme, dire situations instead ?
What, too radical for you ?
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Quoth Nick:
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You can't have claim to believe in freedom and want to dictate to people when and if they can have children.
Quoth Raptor:
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Yeah, I can, when the choices of having kids becomes a burden on society, and endangers the health and well being of her other kids.
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How do you reconcile your support of "freedom" and also advocate forced sterilization?
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In this case, how do you NOT stop this lady from having more kids ?
Hello,
I wonder where people get the crazy idea you advocate forced sterilization on anybody. We must have had a shared delusion. Thank goodness you clarified (redefined when it became inconvenient) your position.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Far from merely wanting to put welfare mothers in shackles, and dragging them off to clinics, in standard, routine fashion, now isn't it ?
You could say, like Obama, my position 'evolved', to offer up a more flexible solution, than the one i posed, in the heat of exchanges, back some months ago. Only, unlike Obama, I'm not completely flipping, out of sheer expediency, to try to win folks over. I still hold to my original view, that in such drastic, rare instances, extraordinary measures must be taken.
You seem like you'd rather squabble on semantics, day in and day out, instead of facing the problem, and actually offering up a viable solution.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Far from merely wanting to put welfare mothers in shackles, and dragging them off to clinics, in standard, routine fashion, now isn't it ?
Hello,
Not very far, since you wanted to force it on this woman.
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You could say, like Obama, my position 'evolved', to offer up a more flexible solution, than the one i posed, in the heat of exchanges, back some months ago.
I would very much like to say that. I'd like to believe that your thinking can evolve.
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I still hold to my original view, that in such drastic, rare instances, extraordinary measures must be taken.
Wait, what? What measures? You just said you evolved away from your original view, but here you say you hold to it.
Be clear. Do you still advocate forced sterilization or not?
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You seem like you'd rather squabble on semantics, day in and day out, instead of facing the problem, and actually offering up a viable solution.
You get hung up on pluralities and the exact nature of testifying, and wish to accuse me of getting hung up on semantics? I'm not hung up on semantics. I'm hung up on forced sterilization.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Speaking of sterilization, my brother just got a vacectomy! We're glad, because he has four little ones and has trouble supporting them all, plus this new little one has differences so maybe he and his wife (this is the only one they've produced together) shouldn't have any more anyways. The other piece of good news is that our state insurance, which he and I both have paid for it! Which hopefully means that when I'm ready to get "fixed" my insurance will pay for me too! Because it will save them a lot of money if they pay for me to get done, because I won't have kids for them to support later, so it behooves them to just fork over the cash and tie my tubes. I need to look into it so I know for when the time comes.
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Because I never said that. But thanks for taking me completely out of context, and ignoring the fact that I was talking about ONE specific case
You absurd little weasel. Nobody calls for policy changes/new legislation just to deal with ONE single person. It wouldn't even be possible to do that. If you call for sterilisation of one welfare mother, you're calling for the sterilisation of all welfare mothers who are in a similar position. Hence 'calling for the sterilisation of welfare mothers (plural)'.
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I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother.
Lies! I think the person you lie to first is yourself - and then by the time you repeat it to others you already sincerely BELIEVE it.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What I find repugnant is the automatic stance by you in thinking I was talking FORCED sterilization as an option,only, and not even considering I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother. And at no cost to her, either.
Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.
We think nothing of free abortions for the poor, yet why is it so horrific to suggest free sterilizations, to those in extreme, dire situations instead ?
What, too radical for you ?
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=53359&mid=9
15405
Quoth Nick:Quote:
You can't have claim to believe in freedom and want to dictate to people when and if they can have children.
Quoth Raptor:Quote:
Yeah, I can, when the choices of having kids becomes a burden on society, and endangers the health and well being of her other kids.
Quoth Signy:Quote:
How do you reconcile your support of "freedom" and also advocate forced sterilization?
Quoth Raptor:Quote:
In this case, how do you NOT stop this lady from having more kids ?
Hello,
I wonder where people get the crazy idea you advocate forced sterilization on anybody. We must have had a shared delusion. Thank goodness you clarified (redefined when it became inconvenient) your position.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
Stop picking on the poor (mental) invalid. You know he has no defense against his own words.
Its not nice to pick on the handicapped.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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If you call for sterilisation of one welfare mother, you're calling for the sterilisation of all welfare mothers who are in a similar position. Hence 'calling for the sterilisation of welfare mothers (plural)'.
No I'm not. Not ALL welfare mothers, and that's the key point here. Merely being on welfare isn't the issue here.
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I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother.
Lies! I think the person you lie to first is yourself - and then by the time you repeat it to others you already sincerely BELIEVE it.
Oh good grief, how gorram childish can you get ? I'm suggesting ways of dealing w/ the problem here, a parcel of kids who are in need of adequate care, far and beyond what this unfit " mother " can offer, and you're WHINING over irrelevant matters such as what I said and what I thought I said.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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No I'm not. Not ALL welfare mothers,
Did I say ALL welfare mothers? No. I said all welfare mothers in a similar position to the one you were talking about. Lying, weaseling, strawmanning, changing the subject... congratulations Auraptor, your performance in this thread is like a manual in intellectual dishonesty.
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Oh good grief, how gorram childish can you get ? I'm suggesting ways of dealing w/ the problem
You're desperately trying to change the subject away from what you said about forced sterilisation, and no one's buying.
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irrelevant matters such as what I said and what I thought I said.
Oh I see. You said something repugnant, and outrageous, and then you conveniently forgot about it, and remembered it completely differently.
Or you lied to yourself.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Hello KPO,
The word you are looking for is 'Doublethink.'
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To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink. ”
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“ The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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