The Gloating Thread
POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Sunday, March 5, 2023 18:16
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FUCK YOU Romney/Ryan ASSHOLES!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
America voted for HUMANITY, you shitheels!
Suck it up.
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I cackled like an insane witch reading that.
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| MAL4PREZ |
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This is me, sittin in my chair, nothin to say but lovin the view.
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Looks around for the "Like" button on the Fireflyfans site...
But really, why confine the celebrations to just one thread?
I say we turn this muthafuckin' site BLUE with celebration threads!
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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I did tell you so, mind you.
-F
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Quote:Frem, I was SO pessimistic... you told us so, and I have to totally acknowledge it!!
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
I did tell you so, mind you.
-F
You rock.
Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured non-Frems
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Just for Rappy, a pic of the President riding a Raptor.
Enjoy!
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:Quote:Frem, I was SO pessimistic... you told us so, and I have to totally acknowledge it!!
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
I did tell you so, mind you.
-F
You rock.
Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured non-Frems
Yes indeed.
I had my doubts, though.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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I'm really sorry, but I just can't stop thinking about the possible dodging-the-zombie-apocalypse thing...
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!
Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to plant flowers
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Cool picture!
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Quote:Mike, you made me LOOOOL so hard, I might have died. That's possibly legally actionable.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just for Rappy, a pic of the President riding a Raptor.
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Here's one for Wulfie and Zit:
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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New bumper stickers are already out:
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Ummmm, can I sue you for making me almost have soda come out my nose?
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>_>
M4P: Psst
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Mitt Romney is going to give his concession speech in 3 minutes. I predict he'll blame Obama for putting him out of a job.
And Ann Romney will throw a fit in about 5 minutes.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Dinosaurs and sharks automatically make anything 9 points cooler.
Where points are measured on an exponential scale.
I still don't really care who won. Enjoy it guys.
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Borowitz nailed it: Nobody ever got elected president by telling half the country to go fuck themselves.
You wouldn't think that would be a hard thing to figure out...
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I'm thoroughly disgusted by the media coverage of this election. For months now it has been clear to anyone paying attention that this election would come down to Ohio. And Obama has had a commanding lead in the Ohio polls, period. He began tonight with a 7 point lead in Ohio. The election was over at that point.
So, basically, Obama has been the clear front runner this entire election cycle. Sure, after the first debate, Romney got a big boost, but it was just a momentary thing and anyone who knew any damn thing about it knew it would fade by election night.
AND YET...every media outlet going has been nothing but "Too close to call!!!" "Anyone's race!" for weeks and weeka and even now "Obama wins after tense night!" Seriously, for me, this was the least tense election I've ever witnessed. All's ya gotta do is PAY ATTENTION.
Total, absolute journalistic fail! 
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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The journalists seem incredibly partisan in the US.
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Just to throw a bone to the losers out there, I wanna say that I'm not at all happy with the continued drone strikes in Afghanistan being a training ground for our peeps prepping for the next war using drones as the major source of aggression.
Just sayin'.
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Goodnight, sweet poison.....
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So, basically, Obama has been the clear front runner this entire election cycle.
AND YET...every media outlet going has been nothing but "Too close to call!!!" "Anyone's race!" for weeks and weeks and even now "Obama wins after tense night!" Seriously, for me, this was the least tense election I've ever witnessed. All's ya gotta do is PAY ATTENTION.
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LOL PR.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
I wuz seriously worried yesterday on usual drive. In 20 milez I saw about 100 Romney yard sinez and bumper stickez, but only 2 for Obama.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
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Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Never mind Obama, Nate is the CHAMPION here. A whole bunch of commenters on his site are eating crow right now. He nailed it!
Still sittin in my chair. Now wearin a crown LOL! Nice, PR.
Do you think Rappy will go away for a year like he did in 2008? But then what will Obama ride?
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I'm thoroughly disgusted by the media coverage of this election. For months now it has been clear to anyone paying attention that this election would come down to Ohio. And Obama has had a commanding lead in the Ohio polls, period. He began tonight with a 7 point lead in Ohio. The election was over at that point.
So, basically, Obama has been the clear front runner this entire election cycle. Sure, after the first debate, Romney got a big boost, but it was just a momentary thing and anyone who knew any damn thing about it knew it would fade by election night.
AND YET...every media outlet going has been nothing but "Too close to call!!!" "Anyone's race!" for weeks and weeka and even now "Obama wins after tense night!" Seriously, for me, this was the least tense election I've ever witnessed. All's ya gotta do is PAY ATTENTION.
Total, absolute journalistic fail!
^THIS.
Exactly this - it wasn't even close cause once you discount the "electronic advantage" and massive purging/disenfranchisement/suppression efforts, the totality of the repudiation becomes pretty clear - basically a loud little handful versus the rest-of-us who happen to be not-crazy.
And as I point out in empathy/humanity threads, that's always a slam dunk.
The media of course has it's own reasons for the pretense, by pretending its close and trolling people into watching via tactics best described as yellow journalism they get the numbers up and those all important eyes on screen for their advertisers, but just like the constant GOP fearmongering, eventually that trick pales and the numbers sink, as does the outlet using it - the print media wonders why they've been all but obliterated and cannot seem to realize constant lies, sensationalism, propaganda-as-journalism and lack of integrity/credibility has a lot to do with it, especially in the days of the internet when people can and will crosscheck your bullshit and catch you out on it.
Case in point, 538 vs the rest of the media, imagine for a second we were back in the days of yore pre-internet, where those bullshit numbers handed to you by the mainstream outlets were all you had to work with, neh ?
I am extremely gratified by the mainstream outlets wiping egg off their faces over this, myself.
As to why else they'd cook the numbers, remember these bastards are in it to make money, that they are corporations too, so of COURSE they're gonna cook the numbers to favor pro-corp candidates more friendly to media consolidation and monopolisation, that is kind of a given.
But consider this, so long as we can keep the internet free, these assholes will have no credibility that we do not give unto them, the balance of power shifts in OUR favor, and we damn well ought to keep it that way.
-Frem
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I think much of the MSM liked the narrative of it being 'too close to call'; media always needs an angle, a story to tell - that's one of its downsides. Also they're sensitive to appearing 'pro-Obama' (which the right will call them whatever they do).
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Wull, also the number one method of yellow journalism since forever is fear mongering, and with the country so starkly divided, there's a lot of fear to be mongered to both sides with a good "It's anybody's fight, folks, get ready!" Disgusting, I tells ya.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
I think much of the MSM liked the narrative of it being 'too close to call'; media always needs an angle, a story to tell - that's one of its downsides. Also they're sensitive to appearing 'pro-Obama' (which the right will call them whatever they do).
It's not personal. It's just war.
Good for ratings, that's why. They're not in the information business, they're in the BUSINESS business.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Meanwhile, it looks like Rappy posted his own election-night special rant...
http://gawker.com/5958673/unhinged-conservative-youtuber-goes-on-price
less-drunken-hyper+rant-over-obama-victory
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Quote:I think we've found a love connection for Rappy!!!!
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Meanwhile, it looks like Rappy posted his own election-night special rant...
http://gawker.com/5958673/unhinged-conservative-youtuber-goes-on-price
less-drunken-hyper+rant-over-obama-victory
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Quote:I think we've found a love connection for Rappy!!!!
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Meanwhile, it looks like Rappy posted his own election-night special rant...
http://gawker.com/5958673/unhinged-conservative-youtuber-goes-on-price
less-drunken-hyper+rant-over-obama-victory
It is so clear I hadda post it twice!!
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Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
America voted for HUMANITY, you shitheels!
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
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Quote:The INHUMANITY would have been greater under Romney, but yeah, sorry, I could have chosen my words more carefully.
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
America voted for HUMANITY, you shitheels!
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:The INHUMANITY would have been greater under Romney, but yeah, sorry, I could have chosen my words more carefully.
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
America voted for HUMANITY, you shitheels!
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
Was there ever a point in the campaign where Romney lobbied for fewer drone strikes?
Maybe I missed it.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
Google "children killed in Iraq war".
You know shithead, what I find interesting about your self-proclaimed libertarianism? You are cool with all sorts of people and think they should exist in this world. Soldiers, generals, the ultra-wealthy, conservatives ... Yes, you are so open-mined you welcome ANY kind of boot-licking master-slave relationship and find nothing to criticize about it. Those people literally can do no wrong. At least not so that you'd post ANYTHING negative about them.
The only exception you make to your broad acceptance to the varieties of humanity is when it comes to liberals. In your eyes literally nothing they do is right. I have yet to see you post one positive thing. And in your eyes those liberals deserve to be criticized for things you find acceptable from everyone else of a more conservative persuasion.
Not that I expect you to suddenly slap your forehead in self-recognition and go - of COURSE! that's why people think I'm a right-wing asshole instead of a freedom-lover!
Sadly, that would take a degree of honesty that's beyond you.
And guess what ASSHOLE. YOU LOST !!!!!!
ENJOY YOUR NEXT 4 YEARS!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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loved this
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
Google "children killed in Iraq war".
You know shithead, what I find interesting about your self-proclaimed libertarianism? You are cool with all sorts of people and think they should exist in this world. Soldiers, generals, the ultra-wealthy, conservatives ... Yes, you are so open-mined you welcome ANY kind of boot-licking master-slave relationship and find nothing to criticize about it. Those people literally can do no wrong. At least not so that you'd post ANYTHING negative about them.
The only exception you make to your broad acceptance to the varieties of humanity is when it comes to liberals. In your eyes literally nothing they do is right. I have yet to see you post one positive thing. And in your eyes those liberals deserve to be criticized for things you find acceptable from everyone else of a more conservative persuasion.
Not that I expect you to suddenly slap your forehead in self-recognition and go - of COURSE! that's why people think I'm a right-wing asshole instead of a freedom-lover!
Spot on.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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So I was listening to Ms Dankert.... a lonely person, if there ever was one... and she was quite plainly surprised and upset by the results.
"I thought it would be a landslide. I've been thinking that for three years. Well, excuse me, but it's hard to change your mind once you've been convinced of something long ago"
True words, those.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:The INHUMANITY would have been greater under Romney, but yeah, sorry, I could have chosen my words more carefully.
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
America voted for HUMANITY, you shitheels!
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
That's the thing. We don't get to vote for the best, we get to vote for the lesser of two evils, since both parties will do pretty much the same things.
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GEEZER, you've pretty much chosen the greater of two evils since you've been posting.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
Google "children killed in Iraq war".
You know shithead...
No. I've never met you.
The guy I voted for would have our troops out of Afghanistan and stop drone strikes immediately.
So no matter if it was Obama or Romney who won, I lost.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GEEZER, you've pretty much chosen the greater of two evils since you've been posting.
Well, getting you to admit that both sides are evil is something of a victory, I guess.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
Google "children killed in Iraq war".
You know shithead...
No. I've never met you.
The guy I voted for would have our troops out of Afghanistan and stop drone strikes immediately.
So no matter if it was Obama or Romney who won, I lost.
Hello,
I voted for one such dude in the primaries, but it didn't go anywhere.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz
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Quote:As did the party I voted for. But it's not who you VOTED for people are judging you on, it's who you CONDEMN and who you FAIL TO CRITICIZE. And you - TeaPublican all the WAY! baby
Originally posted by Geezer:
The guy I voted for would have our troops out of Afghanistan and stop drone strikes immediately.
"ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!"
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Quote:NICE STRAWMAN. 'Cause certianly we've been posting criticisms of Obama all these years.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, getting you to admit that both sides are evil is something of a victory, I guess.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:NICE STRAWMAN. 'Cause certianly we've been posting criticisms of Obama all these years.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, getting you to admit that both sides are evil is something of a victory, I guess.
Hello,
I have to agree with this. The Liberals/Democrats on this board are typically willing and able to critique the failings of their own leadership. Time and again I've seen either criticisms posted or criticisms acknowledged.
I have not seen as much of this from the opposition camp. It happens, but not with the same routine regularity.
In my opinion.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:As did the party I voted for. But it's not who you VOTED for people are judging you on, it's who you CONDEMN and who you FAIL TO CRITICIZE. And you - TeaPublican all the WAY! baby
Originally posted by Geezer:
The guy I voted for would have our troops out of Afghanistan and stop drone strikes immediately.
Oh. So I have to indulge in rabid personal attacks against anyone I don't support 100% to get your approval?
Guess I don't get your approval.
I've noted several times that there's a lot of Romney's platform I don't agree with, but apparently without including the stuff about his wife's horse or his garage in California that's not enough.
If you want to know why there is partisan gridlock in Congress, look at yourself, and the other folks on both sides who can't disagree without hating.
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
The guy I voted for would have our troops out of Afghanistan and stop drone strikes immediately.
So no matter if it was Obama or Romney who won, I lost.
Hello,
I voted for one such dude in the primaries, but it didn't go anywhere.
So you settled for what, in your opinion, was the lesser of two evils. I settled for what I considered the least of three.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:NICE STRAWMAN. 'Cause certianly we've been posting criticisms of Obama all these years.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, getting you to admit that both sides are evil is something of a victory, I guess.
Obama? I'm not limiting it to Obama vs. Romney. It's not just Obama, or Romney, but the major parties as a whole.
Besides, the criticism of Obama here is most always with the "But Bush...", or "But the Republicans in Congress...", or "But the Democrats in Congress..." modifier.
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:NICE STRAWMAN. 'Cause certianly we've been posting criticisms of Obama all these years.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, getting you to admit that both sides are evil is something of a victory, I guess.
Hello,
I have to agree with this. The Liberals/Democrats on this board are typically willing and able to critique the failings of their own leadership. Time and again I've seen either criticisms posted or criticisms acknowledged.
I have not seen as much of this from the opposition camp. It happens, but not with the same routine regularity.
In my opinion.
You might have a point, if I considered Romney or the Republicans as my leadership.
Not sure how support of same-sex marriage, reproductive rights, legalizing pot, increasing taxes across the board, stopping drone attacks and getting out of foreign adventures associates me with Republicans.
Apparently, I'm guilty of not viscerally hating them hard enough.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
The guy I voted for would have our troops out of Afghanistan and stop drone strikes immediately.
So no matter if it was Obama or Romney who won, I lost.
Hello,
I voted for one such dude in the primaries, but it didn't go anywhere.
So you settled for what, in your opinion, was the lesser of two evils. I settled for what I considered the least of three.
Hello,
Who was your candidate, by the way? After Ron Paul lost the primary, I had no awareness of anyone who shared his views on war and intervention overseas.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz
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"... rabid personal attacks against anyone I don't support 100% to get your approval?"
AND ANOTHER STRAWMAN! DING! DING! DING! DING! Post one more on this and you'll win something!
Don't make me go back to the post where you tried to rub away the massacre of 400 civilians as an equivocal 'shade of gray' because it was a position supported by conservatives. There would have been nothing personal about attacking that, no matter how rabid.
ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:NICE STRAWMAN. 'Cause certianly we've been posting criticisms of Obama all these years.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, getting you to admit that both sides are evil is something of a victory, I guess.
Hello,
I have to agree with this. The Liberals/Democrats on this board are typically willing and able to critique the failings of their own leadership. Time and again I've seen either criticisms posted or criticisms acknowledged.
I have not seen as much of this from the opposition camp. It happens, but not with the same routine regularity.
In my opinion.
You might have a point, if I considered Romney or the Republicans as my leadership.
Not sure how support of same-sex marriage, reproductive rights, legalizing pot, increasing taxes across the board, stopping drone attacks and getting out of foreign adventures associates me with Republicans.
Apparently, I'm guilty of not viscerally hating them hard enough.
Hello,
Actually, I do have a point.
You claimed an accomplishment in getting someone to acknowledge both sides as being evil.
But that acknowledgement was already present, and much more frequent on the Liberal/Democrat side of things, in my opinion.
Getting the staunch Republican supporters to acknowledge their own side as evil would be a much greater accomplishment to my mind, since they less often acknowledge the blatant failings of their own.
--Anthony
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So you settled for what, in your opinion, was the lesser of two evils. I settled for what I considered the least of three.
Seems to me if you're voting for an irrelevant third party you may as well vote for one you don't consider to be 'evil'.
*is confused*
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Besides, the criticism of Obama here is most always with the "But Bush...", or "But the Republicans in Congress...", or "But the Democrats in Congress..." modifier.
Sometimes. And, so? Isn't it your point that 'both parties are evil'? Or do you only reach for that equivalence when we're talking about Republican wrongdoing?
Hmm.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Who was your candidate, by the way? After Ron Paul lost the primary, I had no awareness of anyone who shared his views on war and intervention overseas.
--Anthony
Gary Johnson - Libertarian.
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front
I don't agree with everything in the Libertarian platform, but it's way closer than the Dems or Repubs.
Apparently about 1.25 million other folks voted for him too. Hey, we're the 1%.
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"... rabid personal attacks against anyone I don't support 100% to get your approval?"
AND ANOTHER STRAWMAN! DING! DING! DING! DING! Post one more on this and you'll win something!
Don't make me go back to the post where you tried to rub away the massacre of 400 civilians as an equivocal 'shade of gray' because it was a position supported by conservatives. There would have been nothing personal about attacking that, no matter how rabid.
What?
What does noting that the downright nasty personal attacks on Romney were downright nasty personal attacks have to do with one sentence you took galacticly out of context from a 100+ post thread several years ago?
Post that entire post (from eight or nine years ago) and let folks decide.
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"... rabid personal attacks against anyone I don't support 100% to get your approval?"
For the record, I quoted this directly from Geezer. Now it's gone, along with all the supporting venom and illogic.
Yes, Geezer post-edited extensively. He did that thing he swears he 'never' does.
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Actually, I do have a point.
You claimed an accomplishment in getting someone to acknowledge both sides as being evil.
But that acknowledgement was already present, and much more frequent on the Liberal/Democrat side of things, in my opinion.
Getting the staunch Republican supporters to acknowledge their own side as evil would be a much greater accomplishment to my mind, since they less often acknowledge the blatant failings of their own.
Then you should address your comments to a staunch Republican.
As to Signym maybe noting both sides are evil... Signym's discussions with me about who's good and who's evil have covered a lot more than political parties, usually revolving around capitalist democracies vs. Socialist governments. I was hoping that perhaps she had come to the realization that life under Stalin or Mao might have been less that perfect. I know she already considers life here less than perfect.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... rabid personal attacks against anyone I don't support 100% to get your approval?"
For the record, I quoted this directly from Geezer. Now it's gone, along with all the supporting venom and illogic.
Yes, Geezer post-edited extensively. He did that thing he swears he 'never' does.
Kiki. It's right at the bottom of page one of this thread.
Maybe you should go have a little liedown.
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Yep, you're right. Apparently I mispelled when I searched. So sue me.
Oh, and it's nice to see you standing up for your ass-holery.
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I find myself fascinated by this: http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/
I understand the irony, that I would have felt the same had Romney won. There wouldn't have been tears, but I'd have been unhappy.
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"... capitalist democracies vs. Socialist governments."
Yes, that's been SignyM's point all along. At least according to Geezer. Because in Rappyla ... I mean Geezerland, there is no such thing as a socialist democracy.
AND WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? STRAWMAN NUMBER THREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING !!!!!!
GEEZER WINS SOMETHING!
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Actually, I do have a point.
You claimed an accomplishment in getting someone to acknowledge both sides as being evil.
But that acknowledgement was already present, and much more frequent on the Liberal/Democrat side of things, in my opinion.
Getting the staunch Republican supporters to acknowledge their own side as evil would be a much greater accomplishment to my mind, since they less often acknowledge the blatant failings of their own.
Then you should address your comments to a staunch Republican.
HA! You're fooling no one.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Then you should address your comments to a staunch Republican.
Hello,
Yes, that encapsulates my message perfectly.
--Anthony
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Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
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Quote:Yes, my point about the "greater of two evils" refers to more than just who someone voted for.
As to Signym maybe noting both sides are evil... Signym's discussions with me about who's good and who's evil have covered a lot more than political parties, usually revolving around capitalist democracies vs. Socialist governments. I was hoping that perhaps she had come to the realization that life under Stalin or Mao might have been less that perfect. I know she already considers life here less than perfect.
What I find peculiar, GEEZER, is that after I posted several VERY long posts* detailing our "interventions" which included anything from full-scale invasions/ occupations (Cuba, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq X2, Afghanistan) to assassinating elected leaders and/or training, arming, and funding brutal tyrannies everywhere (Iran, Indonesia, Guatemala, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Nicaragua, Honduras, Ecuador, Bolivia, and literally every other nation south of our border except Costa Rica).... interventions which cost millions of lives around the world .... you defended all of our past actions.
That's what I meant by having in the past always chosen the greater of two evils. And before you make this a thread about choosing between a socialist tyranny or a capitalist tyranny, I have two rebuttals to that misdirection:
1) First of all, many of the nations we decided to "intervene" in had actually elected rather modest land-reformers or leaders who wanted to nationalize natural resources, but even THAT weak tea was apparently a little too strong for our bank/ latifundia/ corporate-loving leadership.
2) Second, it is not up to US to "choose" for others by military might. The only legitimate use of deadly force- whether by an individual or by a government- is in defense of the life of another.
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One could say that we were provoked by events in other nations. But yanno what they say: you can't control other people's reactions, you can only control your own. There are many other choices we COULD have made, which in retrospect would have been better for us as a nation. So the "choice" I'm referring to is the "choice" to use force and violence to shape another nation. It is a choice which you have made, or supported, time and time again: the greater of two evils.
What I don't understand is that - given your history of lauding ALL of our past military adventures, why you would suddenly stick at drone strikes. Drone strikes??? It's a good change in thought pattern, but why now?
*Posts BTW which had people begging me to stop. As if the full weight of what we had done was too much to acknowledge.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I find peculiar, GEEZER, is that after I posted several VERY long posts* detailing our "interventions" which included anything from full-scale invasions/ occupations (Cuba, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq X2, Afghanistan) to assassinating elected leaders and/or training, arming, and funding brutal tyrannies everywhere (Iran, Indonesia, Guatemala, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Nicaragua, Honduras, Ecuador, Bolivia, and literally every other nation south of our border except Costa Rica).... interventions which cost millions of lives around the world .... you defended all of our past actions.
Well, no. I pointed out that in several instances you cited, it wasn't as black and white as the guy you were quoting painted it to be. Several of the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders mentioned were not, and many were put in place by the previous strong man. I did agree that in a couple of instances (Guatemala comes to mind, but it's been a while)the U.S. really overstepped. I also noted the wonderful fate of the places where the communist-supported 'liberators' won: Vietnam, North Korea, Cambodia, Cuba.
Then again, while citing your screed, you never once mentioned the Soviet pacification of the Ukraine or the takeover of Eastern Europe, or the Chinese takeover of Mongolia. Or did those brutal takeovers that cost millions of lives not seem evil to you?
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That's what I meant by having in the past always chosen the greater of two evils.
Yep. and we continue to debate whether the U.S. or the Soviet Bloc was the lesser. I still think that, despite the mis-steps and heavyhandedness of the U.S., the actions of the Soviet Union and China against other nations and their own people trump even the H guy in evil.
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1) First of all, many of the nations we decided to "intervene" in had actually elected rather modest land-reformers or leaders who wanted to nationalize natural resources, but even THAT weak tea was apparently a little too strong for our bank/ latifundia/ corporate-loving leadership.
And as I noted back then and you continue to deny, many did not have DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED governments, and were ruled by folks more interested in their power than land reform.
Quote:The people of Eastern Europe probably felt the same way about the Soviets after WWII. And they had to deal with the Soviets for forty years.
2) Second, it is not up to US to "choose" for others by military might.
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So the "choice" I'm referring to is the "choice" to use force and violence to shape another nation. It is a choice which you have made, or supported, time and time again: the greater of two evils.
But your tacit support of the use of force and violence by Soviet Russia to shape Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Albania, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Latvia and Lithuania for half a century isn't support of evil? Or the force and violence in China's occupation of Tibet?
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What I don't understand is that - given your history of lauding ALL of our past military adventures, why you would suddenly stick at drone strikes.
I did agree with you that some adventures in South and Central America were wrong, but you forget what you want to.
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Quote:This is the point you fail to connect with: Our "choice" isn't between what Mao or Stalin did and what we did: socialist tyrannies versus capitalist tyrannies. OUR real choice is between what we did and what else we might have done.
Well, no. I pointed out that in several instances you cited, it wasn't as black and white as the guy you were quoting painted it to be. Several of the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders mentioned were not, and many were put in place by the previous strong man. I did agree that in a couple of instances (Guatemala comes to mind, but it's been a while)the U.S. really overstepped. I also noted the wonderful fate of the places where the communist-supported 'liberators' won: Vietnam, North Korea, Cambodia, Cuba. Then again, while citing your screed, you never once mentioned the Soviet pacification of the Ukraine or the takeover of Eastern Europe, or the Chinese takeover of Mongolia. Or did those brutal takeovers that cost millions of lives not seem evil to you?
Quote:And because they did it, that makes our evil less? That's not the debate here.
Yep. and we continue to debate whether the U.S. or the Soviet Bloc was the lesser. I still think that, despite the mis-steps and heavyhandedness of the U.S., the actions of the Soviet Union and China against other nations and their own people trump even the H guy in evil.
Quote:I guess you consider my lack of criticism as tacit support. But the fact is, I don't criticize because I have no power to affect their policies. You didn't hear me criticize South African apartheid much either. OTOH, you WILL hear me criticize OUR policies because those are policies that I pay for with my taxes.
But your tacit support of the use of force and violence by Soviet Russia to shape Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Albania, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Latvia and Lithuania for half a century isn't support of evil? Or the force and violence in China's occupation of Tibet?
What I see that, time after time, we have chosen violence and destruction but could have chosen differently. In Afghanistan, for example, instead of arming the most regressive parts of society (the warlords, the Taliban, and the nascent al Qaida) we could have supplemented whatever development efforts were taking place in terms of schools and roads. Instead of overthrowing Iran's Mossadegh and setting the stage for a takeover of Ayatollahs, we could have let Iran nationalize its oil and traded with them on a different basis. Instead of imposing our own military dictatorships south of the border, we could have encouraged land reform and assisted with various development projects. They say that war is a poor tool of peace. It's also a poor tool of development. It seems to me that our real collective interest is peace, prosperity, and human rights around the world. Instead of squashing nations, we could have assisted development. And no, not just giving money to "development" projects which in turn supplied our corporations; I mean real, open-handed help. Kind of like we did with Germany and Japan.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, no. I pointed out that in several instances you cited, it wasn't as black and white as the guy you were quoting painted it to be. Several of the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders mentioned were not, and many were put in place by the previous strong man. I did agree that in a couple of instances (Guatemala comes to mind, but it's been a while)the U.S. really overstepped.
"I did agree that in a couple of instances (Guatemala comes to mind, but it's been a while)the U.S. really overstepped."
This says it all. The US has the RIGHT to impose itself around the world, except, apparently, where we are just TOO flimsy in our excuses and TOO blatant about our brutality. Yep, this is a keeper.
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Hello,
It seems to me there should be a very short list for military intervention.
1) Are we in a declared state of war?
2) Are we defending ourselves from attack?
3) Are we responding to an invitation to defend someone else from attack?
It seems a lot of times we aren't doing any of these things, but rather protecting our 'interests.'
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is the point you fail to connect with: Our "choice" isn't between what Mao or Stalin did and what we did: socialist tyrannies versus capitalist tyrannies. OUR real choice is between what we did and what else we might have done.
When you cite things that happened as far back as the 1930's, OUR choice is moot. We can't choose to undo stuff that happened then. All we can do is compare the results in places U.S. intervention worked and in the places where Soviet Bloc intervention worked.
Quote:Then I've been wasting my time. If you're going to discuss what's happening right now, why do you bring up stuff that happened thirty to eighty years ago?Quote:And because they did it, that makes our evil less? That's not the debate here.
Yep. and we continue to debate whether the U.S. or the Soviet Bloc was the lesser. I still think that, despite the mis-steps and heavyhandedness of the U.S., the actions of the Soviet Union and China against other nations and their own people trump even the H guy in evil.
Quote:Well, yeah. My insufficently rabid criticism of Romney seems to have convinced many folks here of my tacit support, so why not?
I guess you consider my lack of criticism as tacit support.
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But the fact is, I don't criticize because I have no power to affect their policies.
So if you hear about female genital mutilation in Somalia, you won't say anything critical about it because you can't change it? If you had heard about the Russian tanks rolling into Prague in 1968, you would have ignored it since your criticism was pointless? Viet Cong torturing village chiefs and their families? "Ah, nothing I can do. What's on CBS?"
Quote:You and the racists.
You didn't hear me criticize South African apartheid much either.
Quote:But there's nothing you can do about that now, so, since you don't criticise stuff you can do nothing about, why are you complaining?
What I see that, time after time, we have chosen violence and destruction but could have chosen differently. In Afghanistan, for example, instead of arming the most regressive parts of society (the warlords, the Taliban, and the nascent al Qaida) we could have supplemented whatever development efforts were taking place in terms of schools and roads.
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Instead of overthrowing Iran's Mossadegh and setting the stage for a takeover of Ayatollahs, we could have let Iran nationalize its oil and traded with them on a different basis. Instead of imposing our own military dictatorships south of the border, we could have encouraged land reform and assisted with various development projects.
More ancient history, like the occupation of Poland. Why bother?
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They say that war is a poor tool of peace. It's also a poor tool of development. It seems to me that our real collective interest is peace, prosperity, and human rights around the world. Instead of squashing nations, we could have assisted development. And no, not just giving money to "development" projects which in turn supplied our corporations; I mean real, open-handed help. Kind of like we did with Germany and Japan.
I do note that we militarily defeated both Germany and Japan before providing them with development aid. Trying to provide real open-handed help in 1938 might not have worked out as well as you would have wanted.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, no. I pointed out that in several instances you cited, it wasn't as black and white as the guy you were quoting painted it to be. Several of the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders mentioned were not, and many were put in place by the previous strong man. I did agree that in a couple of instances (Guatemala comes to mind, but it's been a while)the U.S. really overstepped.
"I did agree that in a couple of instances (Guatemala comes to mind, but it's been a while)the U.S. really overstepped."
This says it all. The US has the RIGHT to impose itself around the world, except, apparently, where we are just TOO flimsy in our excuses and TOO blatant about our brutality. Yep, this is a keeper.
Tell you what, Kiki. you just keep taking sentences massively out of context and making up what you think I meant and keep the conversation going without me, since you've obviously entered the "All right, children. Just move away from the nice crazy lady and let her talk to herself." zone.
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"Then I've been wasting my time. If you're going to discuss what's happening right now, why do you bring up stuff that happened thirty to eighty years ago?"
To learn from the past perhaps? To put our current actions which may be driven by passion and partisanship and gratification in a more removed perspective? Gosh. I can't imagine how that would be helpful.
"Well, yeah. My insufficently rabid criticism of Romney seems to have convinced many folks here of my tacit support, so why not?"
No, it's not that. Apparently you don't know how to read what people have posted over and over and over and ... it's your blatant double standard. Your inability to criticize conservatives for extreme things on the one hand while you criticize liberals for far less on the other.
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Quote:Show me how it's out of context. You apparently agree with US intervention in countries around the world and have nothing bad to say about it EVEN WHEN it was not related to national security or due to agreement with allies. So show me how it's out of context. I'll wait.
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, no. I pointed out that in several instances you cited, it wasn't as black and white as the guy you were quoting painted it to be. Several of the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders mentioned were not, and many were put in place by the previous strong man. I did agree that in a couple of instances (Guatemala comes to mind, but it's been a while)the U.S. really overstepped.
"I did agree that in a couple of instances (Guatemala comes to mind, but it's been a while)the U.S. really overstepped."
This says it all. The US has the RIGHT to impose itself around the world, except, apparently, where we are just TOO flimsy in our excuses and TOO blatant about our brutality. Yep, this is a keeper.
Tell you what, Kiki. you just keep taking sentences massively out of context and making up what you think I meant and keep the conversation going without me, since you've obviously entered the "All right, children. Just move away from the nice crazy lady and let her talk to herself." zone.
BTW, while YOU may not be interested in publicly acknowledging what I post, I assure you, other people read it. And they clearly understand that you fail over and over to address ANY of the valid points I raise. They see you for the dishonest coward you are.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
since you've obviously entered the "All right, children. Just move away from the nice crazy lady and let her talk to herself." zone.
LOL!
Now that, kids, is a textbook example of projection!
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:Quote:
Then you should address your comments to a staunch Republican.
Hello,
Yes, that encapsulates my message perfectly.
--Anthony
He never does though. Why is that Geezer?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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I guess you consider my lack of criticism as tacit support.
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Well, yeah. My insufficently rabid criticism of Romney seems to have convinced many folks here of my tacit support, so why not?
Hello,
This is a valid point.
But I do want to stress it is not rabidness which impresses, but rather consistency. I know some of your positions thanks to long association on this board, but I do not know you to critique the 'right' as often as the 'left.' It suggests a bias. I am prepared to believe there is no bias. Are you prepared to believe me when I tell you that there has been an inbalance in commentary?
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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"Prison changes a man, son." -The Legend of Zorro
I wonder how being President does. Is Obama the same optimistic man than before he took office? I do not believe so. And there are many things he's privy to right now that he cannot speak of.
I have never seen a President cry before so genuinely. And I suspect he was crying about more than what he was speaking about at the moment.
I think I must re-examine my harshness on Obama. Different Presidents clearly have a different scope of direct control allowed to them while in office. Bush could declare war on a sovereign nation in no way connected to the 9-11 terrorist attack. Obama could not close a base in Cuba. There is way more going on here than it seems, and anyone that doesn't see that is politically naieve. To put it nicely.
IMO, of course.
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Mike, you gave yourself away with those new bumper stickers...I KNOW that thumb...you're a Cafe Pressaholic, aren't you?Quote:
Magons, I'm not sure how to address that. CERTAINLY we have our partisan newspapers--not to even mention FauxNews and MSNBC--but I'm not sure that explains what just happened. The polls have been pretty steadily within five points of one another, so unless one paid attention to Nate Silver (and WOW, did he nail it on the head once again!) and any other relatively serious sources, I don't think calling it as close as they did IS particularly egregious. If the polls are consistently within the margin of error, whoever's ahead, can they really start chiming the victory bell? I think Cav and I will have to agree to disagree on that one.
The journalists seem incredibly partisan in the US
I took heart from FiveThirtyEight and trusted Silver pretty much all along. That doesn't mean I was convinced, either that the voter-suppression efforts would take their toll or that the American people could see beyond the end of their noses. I'm damned glad the prior DIDN'T happen and the latter DID, and will settle for that, thank you.Quote:
Do you think Rappy will go away for a year like he did in 2008?
We could dream...but I doubt it. Okay, I will say it out front, and you can castigate me all you like: I WOULD like to see Rap leave. Not particularly because of his opinions, but because he slathers them everywhere, every day, and too many people take the bait. Maybe if he weren't here SO MUCH, or his vitriol was spread among a number of others, there would be more actual discussion rather than the ridiculous bs we have now. So there. I don't wish him ill, I just wish him gone...or even slightly quieter, I'm not proud!Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
America voted for HUMANITY, you shitheels!
Google "children killed in drone strikes".
O, truly, it's to laugh! The GIGANTIC number of Iraqis, Afghans and OUR OWN SOLDIERS killed in a "war of preference" by Dubya, Turdblossom and their buddies? Please! Or better yet "What Kiki responded".
What blows my mind about it? Quote:
Well, getting you to admit that both sides are evil is something of a victory, I guess.
Okay, raise hands, ANYONE here who is totally pro-Obama, who thinks Obama ISN'T the lesser of two evils...?
I won't ask anyone to raise their hands who doesn't think Romney would be the lesser of two evils, because I can already count the hands.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US, Geez; we KNOW Obama's not perfect, Rap, etc., think Romney (or WHOEVER the right put up) IS perfect!Quote:
You just gotta love that one...has to be "rabid personal attacks"...can't be disapproval, can't be "they're wrong", can't be "I don't agree"; those concepts are impossible apparently. When have we heard Geez, Rap or Wulf (I'll limit it to just those) "willing and able to critique the failings of their own leadership"? Cites, please...
So I have to indulge in rabid personal attacks against anyone I don't support 100% to get your approval?Quote:
Besides, the criticism of Obama here is most always with the "But Bush...", or "But the Republicans in Congress...", or "But the Democrats in Congress..." modifier.
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Not sure how support of same-sex marriage, reproductive rights, legalizing pot, increasing taxes across the board, stopping drone attacks and getting out of foreign adventures associates me with Republicans.
No, maybe if you didn't GO AFTER anyone here who says one goddamned thing bad about any goddamned thing on the right, people might get the opinion (as I did once, remember?) that you were just SLIGHTLY nonpartisan. When you regul
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
"Prison changes a man, son." -The Legend of Zorro
I wonder how being President does. Is Obama the same optimistic man than before he took office? I do not believe so. And there are many things he's privy to right now that he cannot speak of.
I have never seen a President cry before so genuinely. And I suspect he was crying about more than what he was speaking about at the moment.
I think I must re-examine my harshness on Obama. Different Presidents clearly have a different scope of direct control allowed to them while in office. Bush could declare war on a sovereign nation in no way connected to the 9-11 terrorist attack. Obama could not close a base in Cuba. There is way more going on here than it seems, and anyone that doesn't see that is politically naieve. To put it nicely.
IMO, of course.
Hello,
The top three things on my list of Obama betrayals were entirely within his power to address in a better way.
That he has a difficult job with fierce opposition does not convince me to judge him less harshly. If he did what he could, each time he could, I could judge him less harshly.
But he was compromised from day one.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:As Kiki said: to learn from the past. What made us more secure, and what didn't. After Germany was defeated in the first World War, reparations pushed Germany into a second. After Germany was defeated a second time (mainly by the Russians but we helped) we didn't make the same mistake. Instead, we poured in wealth and aid. Lesson learned. Looking back in history, I see a lot of things we might have done differently, had we admitted mistakes and learned from them.
And because they did it, that makes our evil less? That's not the debate here.-Signy
Then I've been wasting my time. If you're going to discuss what's happening right now, why do you bring up stuff that happened thirty to eighty years ago?- Geezer
Quote:I also thought Maggie Thatcher's little war in the Falklands was just about as hypocritical as Reagan's invasion of Grenada, and Tony Blair was Bush's lapdog. But I don't go on and on about Thatcher and Blair, either. I have a different response, I guess, when I see things going badly.
But the fact is, I don't criticize because I have no power to affect their policies.-Signy
So if you hear about female genital mutilation in Somalia, you won't say anything critical about it because you can't change it? If you had heard about the Russian tanks rolling into Prague in 1968, you would have ignored it since your criticism was pointless? Viet Cong torturing village chiefs and their families? "Ah, nothing I can do. What's on CBS?"- Geezer
You didn't hear me criticize South African apartheid much either. - Signy
You and the racists.-Geezer
First of all, my meter doesn't trip over things like "free markets". I tend to be rather practical: Are people dying? Are they sick or hungry? Are women dying in childbirth? Is everyone able to get a job and an education? Are people being disappeared? Is this a natural disaster, or a problem of internal policies, or both?
Then, I look at our nation: Are we somehow supporting or protecting governments or policies which are causing the problem? Are we preventing people from solving their own problems? If yes, what do we stop doing? If not, what can we do to help? Is aid appropriate? Can we impose conditions on the aid which will help resolve the problem? Can we impose selective economic sanctions? Is there another faction, or a popularly supported movement, which we can help?
Quote:To learn, and to apply lessons from the past to the future. If we ever start down the road to female genital mutilation, you'll hear from me!
What I see that, time after time, we have chosen violence and destruction but could have chosen differently. In Afghanistan, for example, instead of arming the most regressive parts of society (the warlords, the Taliban, and the nascent al Qaida) we could have supplemented whatever development efforts were taking place in terms of schools and roads. -Signy
But there's nothing you can do about that now, so, since you don't criticise stuff you can do nothing about, why are you complaining? -Geezer
Quote:Both Germany and Japan were in the process of invading other nations. As I said, there IS a reason to apply deadly force, and that is in defense of lives. But if you wind up having to kill a lot of people in order to "save" them, I'd call that an epic FAIL.
I do note that we militarily defeated both Germany and Japan before providing them with development aid. Trying to provide real open-handed help in 1938 might not have worked out as well as you would have wanted.
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Quote:Anthony, I'm starting to believe that it's all rigged... top to bottom.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
The top three things on my list of Obama betrayals were entirely within his power to address in a better way.
I imagine..."So let's close Gitmo now."
"No, Mr. President."
"What's that 'No'? Just CLOSE it."
"Look at this file..."
"Oh. I didn't... oh..."
"See? It can't be done. Not now."
"BUT, we can at least prosecute the torturers..."
"U,mmmm, no, look at this-"
"NO WAY!! Who set THAT in motion??"
"Does it matter? It's there."
"But, what about limiting the drone attacks?"
"Remember Kennedy..."
"You're saying I'm basically powerless-?"
"Oh no sir, just.. limited in these instances."
"What if I go public?"
"You have children, sir."
"I..."
"Sir, do what you CAN, leave the suicidal decisions to a President with nothing of personal value to lose."
"This is all... something out of a spy novel or something..."
"No Mr. President, real life is more fantastic than that, and I think you see that now."
-Or something like that.
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LOL, I figured this was pretty out there... I just have a hard time with Obama being 'evil' like Romney.....
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I find myself fascinated by this: http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/
xanks! Notes & piks frum the eko chamber. Perfect for gloating!
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com
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Love it too. No gloating, just facts.
They embarrassed themselves, talking all that nonsense.
Anyone paying close attention could see right through their paper thin rhetoric, all their "numbers" and "facts" could not stand up in the light of day.
They shot themselves in the foot. They were doing the 3-step cha-cha: 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
SGG
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Anthony, I'm starting to believe that it's all rigged... top to bottom.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
The top three things on my list of Obama betrayals were entirely within his power to address in a better way.
I imagine..."So let's close Gitmo now."
"No, Mr. President."
"What's that 'No'? Just CLOSE it."
"Look at this file..."
"Oh. I didn't... oh..."
"See? It can't be done. Not now."
"BUT, we can at least prosecute the torturers..."
"U,mmmm, no, look at this-"
"NO WAY!! Who set THAT in motion??"
"Does it matter? It's there."
"But, what about limiting the drone attacks?"
"Remember Kennedy..."
"You're saying I'm basically powerless-?"
"Oh no sir, just.. limited in these instances."
"What if I go public?"
"You have children, sir."
"I..."
"Sir, do what you CAN, leave the suicidal decisions to a President with nothing of personal value to lose."
"This is all... something out of a spy novel or something..."
"No Mr. President, real life is more fantastic than that, and I think you see that now."
-Or something like that.
Hello,
A compelling theory.
Which excuses every decision from every leader, ours and others, since the dawn of modern leadership. It exempts every great and petty leader of men from all their foibles. No action or inaction, crime or triumph, can be attributed to anyone. Because of the secret powers behind the powers that made it all happen.
And so it doesn't matter if you elect Mother Teresa or Hitler. The result is the same.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:Not exactly- Obama (or someone like him) serves to stonewall the progress of a total fascist takeover/makeover of America. A Bush or Romney would be free to do as they wish, being that world domination (financial) and domestic control (getting rid of pesky civil rights) are their main goals anyway.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
A compelling theory.
And so it doesn't matter if you elect Mother Teresa or Hitler. The result is the same.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Not exactly- Obama (or someone like him) serves to stonewall the progress of a total fascist takeover/makeover of America. A Bush or Romney would be free to do as they wish, being that world domination (financial) and domestic control (getting rid of pesky civil rights) are their main goals anyway.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
A compelling theory.
And so it doesn't matter if you elect Mother Teresa or Hitler. The result is the same.
Hello,
I see.
So you perceive 'strivers' and 'gleeful givers in.'
I shall then continue to fault and condemn my Leaders for not striving mightily enough. Particularly since this President's failure to strive began before he ever took Presidential office, with his vote to give a pass to illegal wiretappers.
And I shall fault and condemn any President who doesn't do the right thing. Just as always. Whether they are striving insufficiently against or gleefully surrendering to an orgy of evil.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:Quote:
I guess you consider my lack of criticism as tacit support.
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Well, yeah. My insufficently rabid criticism of Romney seems to have convinced many folks here of my tacit support, so why not?
Hello,
This is a valid point.
But I do want to stress it is not rabidness which impresses, but rather consistency. I know some of your positions thanks to long association on this board, but I do not know you to critique the 'right' as often as the 'left.' It suggests a bias. I am prepared to believe there is no bias. Are you prepared to believe me when I tell you that there has been an inbalance in commentary?
--Anthony
Well, since most of the criticism on this forum tends to be focused on the Right, spending all my time going "me too" seems kind'a pointless. Issues like marriage and reproductive rights I'll chime in, but after I see the same complaints over and over again, I don't even bother responding. Then again, a lot of that criticism IS rabid, over the top, or just plain bullshit, which I object to.
Also note that when I criticize the 'left', I generally do so on policy issues, not on Michelle's dress or Pres. Obama's place of birth. I don't make up 'funny' insulting names for Democratic politicians or post 'clever' pictures of their personal life. When I cite stuff, it's generally from mainstream media or sources, not partisan bloggers or publications.
I'm aware that I'm not Liberal enough for the folks in what is mostly a very Liberal forum. I don't hate the rich enough. I don't think that everyone who has a different view of what the country should be is evil (just wrong, maybe). I don't feel the need to type in ALL CAPS a lot, or personally attack the folks I disagree with except after quite a bit of provocation.
Look at this thread. Who starts throwing insults? Who will throw more after reading this post?
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Quote:Good deal.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
So you perceive 'strivers' and 'gleeful givers in.'
I shall then continue to fault and condemn my Leaders for not striving mightily enough.
Anyway, it's just a theory... probably wrong. It's just hard for me to reconcile the man I see talking to his people in that video and someone willing to give away our civil rights & not go after torture creeps...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As Kiki said: to learn from the past. What made us more secure, and what didn't. After Germany was defeated in the first World War, reparations pushed Germany into a second. After Germany was defeated a second time (mainly by the Russians but we helped) we didn't make the same mistake. Instead, we poured in wealth and aid. Lesson learned. Looking back in history, I see a lot of things we might have done differently, had we admitted mistakes and learned from them.
But somehow we can't learn from the horrific acts that occurred when the Soviet Union was allowed to extend their philosophy of government control of every aspect of life over half of Europe? The acts of the Secret Police can teach us nothing? The lessons of the gulags have no relevence? We take nothing away from artists who weren't allowed to buy paint because their work was abstract, not 'Socialist Realism'? The hundreds of pictures on the walls of the former Secret Police headquarters in Budapest - pictures of people who were brought to the building and never left - have nothing to say?
I'm beginning to wonder if you don't criticize the Soviet Union because you see nothing done wrong that deserves criticism.
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Quote:If 2/3 of the streets in the city where you live were suddenly reserved specifically for Lambourginis and Ferraries I think you'd find a voice for your irritation, but since it is MONEY being channeled to their favour and not traffic, you will not scratch at something that does not itch...
Originally posted by Geezer:
I don't hate the rich enough.
Quote:GEEZER YOU'RE JUST A STUPI-
Look at this thread. Who starts throwing insults? Who will throw more after reading this post?
just kidding. Thanks for a very excellent post setting some of us right on your position on stuff.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
If 2/3 of the streets in the city where you live were suddenly reserved specifically for Lambourginis and Ferraries I think you'd find a voice for your irritation, but since it is MONEY being channeled to their favour and not traffic, you will not scratch at something that does not itch...
Check this link out. http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance Look at the graph of contributors to super pacs. Note that 49% of the contributors to Democratic super pacs contributed $1 million + (compared to 38% for Romney). Do you really think that only Republicans are rich, or that they're the only ones expecting favors from the guy they supported? I can hear Niki complaining about all the little contributors, but who do you think will be having lunch at the White House? Who do you think will get their problems heard?
It'd be the same if Romney won, but thinking there's that much difference...
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Good deal.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
So you perceive 'strivers' and 'gleeful givers in.'
I shall then continue to fault and condemn my Leaders for not striving mightily enough.
Anyway, it's just a theory... probably wrong. It's just hard for me to reconcile the man I see talking to his people in that video and someone willing to give away our civil rights & not go after torture creeps...
Hello,
Human beings are able to rationalize doing all kinds of terrible things for the greater good. Most war is a product of this ability, I should think.
But while there is a philosophical difference between the man who regretfully kills and one who does it gleefully, and while I know which I'd rather have in charge... the dead can't see the difference.
One of the most terrible things I saw when Obama was elected President was this: Most of the anti-war protesters vaporized. The anti-war movement was, for all practical intents and purposes, gone. Just gone. People still wanted the wars over, but it was no longer worth getting excited about. Nothing about the wars changed when Obama took office, but the public response to the wars changed.
And I'll tell you something. I don't care if we are fighting Hitler. It's a COMFORT to see people protest the madness of war. Any war. War is such a heinous and awful thing. No matter the justification, it should wound the psyche to endorse it.
So I can't help but feel it says something terrible about us that the anti-War movement vaporized. I want them back. I want them big and loud and always echoing in our ears about how every day of warfare is a day of nightmares that chew up your soul and leave you hollow inside.
Because while I couldn't be bothered to roil myself up about it and go marching for peace, it was a comfort that many people could and did. War has become a way of life, and news of the dead no longer sparks us.
Perhaps it is because our President shows empathy and speaks well and seems like a nice fellow, and when he bombs somebody he feels bad about it, so it's okay.
I wish he and I were both better people. He, to stop the fighting, and me, to rail about it more emphatically.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Look at this thread. Who starts throwing insults? Who will throw more after reading this post?
Hello,
An apt observation. I have been at both ends of such things, and I know it profits nothing to devolve a discourse so. Whatever merits an argument may hold, those merits dissolve if they are delivered with the grace of a screeching baboon.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:That's a valid point to make, Geeze, and I know it's not only Repubs that are rich, but you gotta know I have nothing against people who earn riches, I just don't like when already wealthy folk use their money to legitimately steal more wealth- and that's traditionally more a thing of the right than the left.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Do you really think that only Republicans are rich, or that they're the only ones expecting favors from the guy they supported? I can hear Niki complaining about all the little contributors, but who do you think will be having lunch at the White House? Who do you think will get their problems heard?
It'd be the same if Romney won, but thinking there's that much difference...
But yeah, give the candidate money, and you own his attention & support to a degree. And that's not right.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
That's a valid point to make, Geeze, and I know it's not only Repubs that are rich, but you gotta know I have nothing against people who earn riches, I just don't like when already wealthy folk use their money to legitimately steal more wealth- and that's traditionally more a thing of the right than the left.
But yeah, give the candidate money, and you own his attention & support to a degree. And that's not right.
I'd have to see some data to convince me that rich folks from the left use their money to 'legitimately steal more wealth' significantly less than those from the right.
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Quote:I'd like to see it as well...
Originally posted by Geezer:
I'd have to see some data to convince me that rich folks from the left use their money to 'legitimately steal more wealth' significantly less than those from the right.
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