Right wing solution to Failed Election: Go Further Right

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ANTHONYT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:36 AM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/07/a-day-after-loss-conse
rvatives-point-fingers/?hpt=hp_bn3

Hello,

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. According to this article, the right wing thinks they were insufficiently far right and hope to become more right so that they can win the next election.

This quote was especially disturbing:

Quote:
"Tea partiers will take over the Republican Party within four years," he said.

The Republicans took over the Tea Party after 2008, but it seems it was their most extreme members who did so. Now, rather than chill out, they want to push their extremism harder in the hopes of converting a 'moderate' GOP to their wackness and winning the next election.

I miss the small-government isolationist peaceniks who used to reside in the Tea Party. Back when it was Ron Paul's Tea Party.

As far as I'm concerned, it's the Judas Party now.

--Anthony

OONJERAH

Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:56 AM

Reeling conservatives face ‘recalibration’ at their core
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/7/reeling-conservatives-f
ace-recalibration-at-their-/

- & -

Tea partyers say GOP must learn from defeat
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/7/tea-party-leader-gop-es
tablishment-big-loser/

AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:56 AM

The Left went uber, hard core Left after W won in 2000. The GOP tried to 'stay the course', which is why it got it's clock cleaned in the '06 and '08 elections. Americans were fed up, with the grid lock, the back rubbing of the opposition, which benefited everyone IN D.C., but basically screwed everyone else. Thus, the TEA party arose. And showed great promise in 2010. Mitt ? He was a gov from deep blue Mass. Not exactly at TEA party strong hold ( sad commentary on our nation, if ya think about it )

Cut spending, lower taxes, limit the size and power of the Imperial Federal Govt... do that, or we'll be in the exact same spot as Greece is today.

It shouldn't in the least bit be " disturbing ". Obama's lurch to the extreme Left, dictating State control over Religious institutions, via birth control mandates, exceeds the principles for which this country was founded.

And while the Dems divert attention away from their spending, on TOP of what W expanded the govt, with this lunacy of ' get the rich', pitting American vs American, the root of the problem continues to grow, unabated.

The GOP absolutely needs to tack further to the right, as long as it's on a FISCAL course, and not a Social one. And it MUST be able to make that distinction, even extending an arm to the Ron Paulinistas, and turning its back on the Rick Santorum crowd.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:34 PM

Here's the problem with today's GOP:

"You know your party is in trouble when people ask did the rape guy win, and you have to ask which one?" - Alec Baldwin.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:47 PM

Actually, Paul Ryan WAS re-elected to his House seat, so nice fail on your part there.

And speaking of 'rape guy'...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

1KIKI

Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:51 PM

Yeah, he got the booby prize.

YOU LOST ASSHOLE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

KWICKO

Thursday, November 8, 2012 3:57 PM

"VP Candidate Paul Ryan" That's what it says on the picture. He was defeated in his bid for the VP spot.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

ANTHONYT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:28 PM

Quote:
The GOP absolutely needs to tack further to the right, as long as it's on a FISCAL course, and not a Social one. And it MUST be able to make that distinction, even extending an arm to the Ron Paulinistas, and turning its back on the Rick Santorum crowd.

Hello,

Bah. They had that course to follow in 2007-2008, and they abandoned it with gusto.

You will know the GOP has found the right path when they talk about cutting military spending, ending the war of drugs, quitting the patriot act, quit mixing religion with politics, stop acting like illegal immigrants represent a Mars Attacks phenomenon, and quit trying to dictate the contents of women's wombs.

Fat chance.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:39 PM

The 'contents' are human beings. Far be it from anyone to give a damn about them, huh ?

And wanting to abate the flow of illegals , which to date has been like a turnstile at a county fair, isn't by any stretch analogous to "Mars Attacks". A sovereign nation with clearly defined borders should act as such. It's not , by any stretch, a violation of human rights to put reasonable restrictions on HOW MANY folks come into the country. The US is far more open and accepting than damn near any other nation on Earth.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

STORYMARK

Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:49 PM

Hey, they want to go further down their little ideological rabbit hole - let 'em.

They'll just drive their brand of conservatism out of relevance that much faster.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

ANTHONYT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The 'contents' are human beings. Far be it from anyone to give a damn about them, huh ?

And wanting to abate the flow of illegals , which to date has been like a turnstile at a county fair, isn't by any stretch analogous to "Mars Attacks". A sovereign nation with clearly defined borders should act as such. It's not , by any stretch, a violation of human rights to put reasonable restrictions on HOW MANY folks come into the country. The US is far more open and accepting than damn near any other nation on Earth.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Hello,

As I said. Fat Chance.

The wrong choices are the ones you love too much to let go of. Fiscal conservatism can take a hike when there's new military spending possibilities, and individual freedom can fall by the wayside when the temptation looms to put both of your grubby hands inside a woman's uterus.

The Human Beings that need protection are the women, by the way. The people already born, who need to have a say about their own bodies.

But the GOP doesn't have any strong feelings about helping the already born.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

STORYMARK

Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:16 PM

Stuff like this just makes me chuckle:

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-ame
rica-only.html

Quote:
"Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats."

Now that's losing gracefully....!

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:16 PM

How many of those non-human contents would be women ?

Clearly, you irrational hatred has blinded you, once again. You're whining about a complete NON issue, on the idea that some how abortions will be banned, completely, when that's so far down the list of possibilities, as well as priorities we face on a NATIONAL level.

In short, it's a phony, emotionally charged issue.

As for spending, we spend more on welfare than we do for the military. So again, get off your one trick pony, and TRY to have a serious discussion.

If ya can.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Did they NOT ever read Kipling, I wonder ?

-F

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, November 8, 2012 6:59 PM

The Right in America have moved so extreme right, that even right wingers in other countries are unable to support them.

Most people try to distance themselves from the extremism of the Tea Party and their views.

ANTHONYT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 6:59 PM

Hello,

Quote:
would be women ?

Would be?

It's hard to say. But 100% of the people whose wombs the GOP wants to control ARE women. Right now. In actuality.

Quote:
You're whining about a complete NON issue, on the idea that some how abortions will be banned

That is a stated goal of the GOP. Strongly stated. Avowed, even. So if it's a NON issue, maybe they should stop vowing to accomplish it.

Quote:
we spend more on welfare than we do for the military.

And the GOP would like to flip that ratio. More money for killing folks, less money for helping them. Which is a terrible idea. So these one-trick-ponies are actually a whole herd of bad GOP ideas that they refuse to abandon.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:03 PM

Just remember, one and all, today is the first day of the " Republican for President, 2016" campaign. Gawd 'elp us.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

And wanting to abate the flow of illegals , which to date has been like a turnstile at a county fair, isn't by any stretch analogous to "Mars Attacks". A sovereign nation with clearly defined borders should act as such. It's not , by any stretch, a violation of human rights to put reasonable restrictions on HOW MANY folks come into the country. The US is far more open and accepting than damn near any other nation on Earth.

So let's bring the boys home from Iraq, Korea, and Germany and line 'em up along the border, shoulder to shoulder, all the way from Niagra Falls to Vancouver. Oh, you meant some other border? Even so. If securing the border is the first priority, which it probably should be, then let's ACTUALLY prioritize it.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:As for spending, we spend more on welfare than we do for the military. So again, get off your one trick pony, and TRY to have a serious discussion.

This is why we can't have serious discussions. You do not know what you are talking about.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_detail_fy12bs12012n

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

STORYMARK

Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:As for spending, we spend more on welfare than we do for the military. So again, get off your one trick pony, and TRY to have a serious discussion.

This is why we can't have serious discussions. You do not know what you are talking about.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_detail_fy12bs12012n

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

There ya go, confounding the boy with facts.

Didn't ya know, in rappyland, 12% is more than 25%. Not that he actually wants a "serious discussion" - he wants his idealogy placated and pandered to.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The Right in America have moved so extreme right, that even right wingers in other countries are unable to support them.

Most people try to distance themselves from the extremism of the Tea Party and their views.

Nonsense.

Name one area where the TEA party has moved to the 'extreme' right. If ya can.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

ANTHONYT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:06 PM

Quote:
Name one area where the TEA party has moved to the 'extreme' right. If ya can.

Hello,

Well, they originally wanted to stop propping up Israel, end the wars, eliminate all overseas military presence, and take a hatchet to defense spending. They originally wanted legalization of drugs.

Now they no longer advocate for these things.

That's an extreme move to the right. Or more accurately, to the wrong.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

Well, they originally wanted to stop propping up Israel, end the wars, eliminate all overseas military presence, and take a hatchet to defense spending. They originally wanted legalization of drugs.

Now they no longer advocate for these things.

That's an extreme move to the right. Or more accurately, to the wrong.

No, that wasn't the basis of the original T.E.A. ( no, not the Boston shindig ) party. SOME wanted to do that, but not all.

Taxed
Enough
Already

As it was then, so as it is still.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

STORYMARK

Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:19 PM

Apparently rappy can't remember Ron Paul - who's supporters started the damned thing to begin with - and his positions (and thus the golas of the original Tea Pertiers - before they became the baggers) are exactly what Anthony says...

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

ANTHONYT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:22 PM

Quote:
No, that wasn't the basis of the original T.E.A. ( no, not the Boston shindig ) party. SOME wanted to do that, but not all.

Taxed
Enough
Already

Hello,

The old, more brilliant members of the Tea Party realized that Taxes could only be diminished if we ended wars on people and drugs, stopped policing the world, and shut down unneeded military assets. Generally discontinuing all the stupid things government does that chews up money.

I could take them seriously because yes, they wanted to cut Federal aid programs... but they also wanted to cut everything else. Not any more.

So... duh.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

ANTHONYT

Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:24 PM

Quote:
Apparently rappy can't remember Ron Paul

Hello,

Ron Paul has become like Reagan. A mythical ancient hero whose actual policies people conveniently forget.

They are willing to use his name, but not his actual philosophy.

It's a disgrace.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

MAL4PREZ

Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Quote:
Apparently rappy can't remember Ron Paul

Apparently, Rappy also can't address his LIE about welfare costing more than the military.

Shocker!

AURAPTOR

Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:

Apparently, Rappy also can't address his LIE about welfare costing more than the military.

Shocker!

" LIE "

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Welfare spending exceeds that for Social Security, Medicare, and defense

The federal government spent $3.6 trillion in fiscal year 2011, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Mandatory spending totaled about $2.0 trillion, or 56 percent of all federal outlays. That category includes spending for entitlement programs and certain other payments to people, businesses, nonprofit institutions, and state and local governments. Federal spending on Welfare is now the largest part of the federal budget, exceeding that spent on defense, Medicare, and Social Security.

http://www.examiner.com/article/welfare-spending-exceeds-that-for-soci
al-security-medicare-and-defense

Somehow, 'I told you so', just doesn't quite say it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Friday, November 9, 2012 1:04 AM

Guess it depends on where you get your "facts" and what you call "welfare".

http://www.usfederalbudget.us/

http://www.usfederalbudget.us/welfare_budget_2012_4.html

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_defense_spending_30.html

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

M52NICKERSON

Friday, November 9, 2012 1:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:

Apparently, Rappy also can't address his LIE about welfare costing more than the military.

Shocker!

" LIE "

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Welfare spending exceeds that for Social Security, Medicare, and defense

The federal government spent $3.6 trillion in fiscal year 2011, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Mandatory spending totaled about $2.0 trillion, or 56 percent of all federal outlays. That category includes spending for entitlement programs and certain other payments to people, businesses, nonprofit institutions, and state and local governments. Federal spending on Welfare is now the largest part of the federal budget, exceeding that spent on defense, Medicare, and Social Security.

http://www.examiner.com/article/welfare-spending-exceeds-that-for-soci
al-security-medicare-and-defense

Somehow, 'I told you so', just doesn't quite say it.

Funny thing is that article has no links to any source. So just like you Rappy it seems to be making shit up.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

MAL4PREZ

Friday, November 9, 2012 1:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Funny thing is that article has no links to any source. So just like you Rappy it seems to be making shit up.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

Just like Rappy first said that Welfare cost more than the military, then he comes back with welfare + x + y etc costs more than the military. Just like Romney - Rap changes his story to fit his LIE, and he thinks no one will notice.

That's OK, because I set a trap for Rap tonight. Yes, I'm a tech-geek, and I just learned something, through Rappy's direct reply to my post, about who he really is.

Carry on, Rapster.

AURAPTOR

Friday, November 9, 2012 1:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Funny thing is that article has no links to any source. So just like you Rappy it seems to be making shit up.

If I posted a story which backs up my claim, it's not " making shit up ". Just because it doesn't offer links, doesn't mean there's no source. It clearly states where it got the info.

Deny, as you wish.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

AURAPTOR

Friday, November 9, 2012 1:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Apparently rappy can't remember Ron Paul - who's supporters started the damned thing to begin with - and his positions (and thus the golas of the original Tea Pertiers - before they became the baggers) are exactly what Anthony says...

Yeah, Ron Paul didn't start the TEA party. As it was truly grass roots, it's origins spout from many sources, not just one.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

SIGNYM

Friday, November 9, 2012 2:11 PM

RAPPY for god's sake, please don't go the Karl Rove route. (Now THERE was a guy in denial-land!)

AURAPTOR

Friday, November 9, 2012 2:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
RAPPY for god's sake, please don't go the Karl Rove route. (Now THERE was a guy in denial-land!)

I bet you follow more of what Karl says than I have - ever.

Be it Rove, or Marx.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

1KIKI

Friday, November 9, 2012 3:15 PM

"Ron Paul has become like Reagan. A mythical ancient hero whose actual policies people conveniently forget.

They are willing to use his name, but not his actual philosophy.

It's a disgrace."

I'd just like to comment that I find a clear analogy with a guy named Jesus in this.

AURAPTOR

Friday, November 9, 2012 3:21 PM

Reagan's actual words, unlike those of Jesus, are there on YouTube for all to see.

The claim that the TEA party wouldn't accept him,TODAY, is beyond absurd. Go back to what Reagan was talking about, as far back as the 60's, and then again , through out the 80's.

His views sync up almost entirely. Problem is, the country has lurched so far to the Left, what he was saying THEN, is even more prophetic. He saw what was coming... even back then.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 3:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Ron Paul has become like Reagan. A mythical ancient hero whose actual policies people conveniently forget.

They are willing to use his name, but not his actual philosophy.

It's a disgrace."

I'd just like to comment that I find a clear analogy with a guy named Jesus in this.

Hello,

An astute observation. The philosophy of Jesus Christ is dripping with love and charity. Too few Christians adopt even a fraction of that.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

HKCAVALIER

Friday, November 9, 2012 4:02 PM

So now that the Republicans have discovered that being anti-immigration loses them the Latino vote and gone and upended their heart-felt beliefs on the subject, how soon until AURaptor claims he was always a proponent of the "path to citizenship?"

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

AURAPTOR

Friday, November 9, 2012 4:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So now that the Republicans have discovered that being anti-immigration loses them the Latino vote and gone and upended their heart-felt beliefs on the subject, how soon until AURaptor claims he was always a proponent of the "path to citizenship?"

HKCavalier

The GOP never were "anti-immigration ".

Add that to the long list of lies from the Left.

* And I can already hear the cries of indignation and gasps of shock at me saying that. But it's true. The Left puts out a completely false narrative, about the Right ( war on women, anti-immigration, against all govt,etc... ) and then carries on their propaganda, based on lies.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 4:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So now that the Republicans have discovered that being anti-immigration loses them the Latino vote and gone and upended their heart-felt beliefs on the subject, how soon until AURaptor claims he was always a proponent of the "path to citizenship?"

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Hello,

I may be wrong, but I think prominent party supporters and party representative positions on abortion, contraception, and rape were even more damaging than their immigration stance.

It turns out a lot of people in this country are women, and some of them vote. Of those, a few vote in their own interests.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

NIKI2

Friday, November 9, 2012 4:15 PM

Quote:
The lesson, some in the party say, is never again should a party that claims to live by a bottom-up grass-roots conservative base let itself be smothered by a top-down leadership.

The internal bloodletting likely will force the Republican National Committee to move its January meeting to elect the party chairman far away from Washington and its myriad consultants and interest-group pressures.

That part bothers me; if they move away from Washington politics, they will be ruled I'm guessing by their least sensible factions, which will make things even worse. I don't know how all this stuff came about, but it's a sad day to watch it happening--and will be even sadder if it keeps going this way.

Quote:
I believe now the best course of action is outright revolt.... Well, to each his own. Some may choose to push secession in their state legislatures. Others may choose to leave the U.S. for good (Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel). Still others may want to personally separate themselves from the United States here in North America while still living under communist rule' the Glenn Beck, grab your guns, food storage, build bunkers, survivalist route. I heartily endorse all these efforts.

Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.

Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.

That is one piece of work! Although, how I wish Rap would feel the same; reading his stuff after a couple of days away kind of reminded me how out-there he really is. He's as scary as those folks who want to go further right; they didn't get a THING out of what happened, out of how the American people rejected their agenda, and will only do further damage to their party, which is sad. Going to try and work to ignore him from now on, just chalk him up to one of those who can't grasp reality even slightly and are making the GOP even more irrelevant than ever.

I heard about the "go further right" thing; from what I heard, it's a fairly normal reaction to this kind of political loss, and the Dems have done it too. Doesn't make a lot of sense unless maybe you view it through those steps of loss--isn't denial one of the steps? If so, "bargaining" follows somewhere, then "acceptance", so maybe they have to go through these steps to regain some sense of perspective...one can only hope?

Wow, Anthony, I missed those quotes! Can you tell me where they are, please? Unless it's within the last couple of days, I must have missed the threads where they were. Thank you, tho'; won't forget them, want to save them to remind me where I stand with some!

I also heard pundits saying that if they DO choose this course over time, they are risking becoming even more irrelevant as a party, and perhaps another party will start to take their place. They were suggesting maybe the libertarians, but from what I'm reading here and in those articles, they wouldn't be much of an improvement.

Basically: Damn! As always, I want at least ONE viable second party (unlike, apparently, some like Rap and those in the articles linked). Sad day.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups,

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 4:26 PM

Quote:
Wow, Anthony, I missed those quotes! Can you tell me where they are, please? Unless it's within the last couple of days, I must have missed the threads where they were. Thank you, tho'; won't forget them, want to save them to remind me where I stand with some!

Hello Niki,

I can source the Raptor quote easily, since he constantly denies having said any such thing. It forced me to look up the thread often. I even had to re-discover the thread on the new site, because the old links I had stopped working when things switched over.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51196

The other two (Six and Wulf) would require quite a bit of research. If anyone happens to have any reference or links handy, I'd appreciate making them available to Niki (and myself, in case anyone asks again in the future.)

Meanwhile, you certainly need not take my word for it that these things were said, since I cannot immediately source them. I can tell you that these last two statements disturbed me greatly. Only Kaneman was more vile in my recollection, with a promise of rape during your trip to the gulf coast in the wake of the disaster there. But I no longer have that link, either. He is, thankfully, gone from here.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 5:08 PM

http://168.215.229.9/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52327&mid=902582

Hello,

I can now source the Six quote. Still looking for Wulf's.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 5:14 PM

Hello Niki,

Getting closer on the Wulf thing. I found a thread where you yourself quoted his sentiments.

Quote:
"Actually, Niki. You, and yours, are a dying breed. Feel that? Its age creeping up on you. Hurts a little more getting up in the morning, doesn't it? Thank GOD, you and your kind are finally starting to die off. Its just a matter of time. "Getting old, but still a hippie at heart..."

And considering that you and your kind are so spoiled and selfish that you couldn't even conceive of having children (THANK GOD), your philosophy is finally fucking dying.

Its up to those of us who suffered through your generations assclownery to rule the world. And many of us, have figured out that your life-style, belief-system, idiocy were false.

You die, your sick beliefs die with you. And the world is better for it.

Hurry up already.

As for my daughter. Watch your mouth you stupid fucking bitch.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=53230&mid=91328
4

I'm not sure yet where that was quoted from.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 5:18 PM

http://blu.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51590

Hello,

There. Exhausting.

But I now have all the sources.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 5:23 PM

Hello,

I will save these links so that everyone can always check the source context at their leisure.

This was originally just a note to myself, which I blacked out to avoid causing distress, but Raptor insisted on making it visible to the casual public observer.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51196
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Context: http://168.215.229.9/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52327&mid=902582
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51590

“The stupid neither forgive nor

STORYMARK

Friday, November 9, 2012 5:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
RAPPY for god's sake, please don't go the Karl Rove route. (Now THERE was a guy in denial-land!)

Way, way, way too late.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

STORYMARK

Friday, November 9, 2012 5:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Apparently rappy can't remember Ron Paul - who's supporters started the damned thing to begin with - and his positions (and thus the golas of the original Tea Pertiers - before they became the baggers) are exactly what Anthony says...

Yeah, Ron Paul didn't start the TEA party. As it was truly grass roots, it's origins spout from many sources, not just one.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

I didn't say Paul started it, dipshit - I said his supporters - which IS grass roots. Try reading, dumbfuck.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

CAVETROLL

Friday, November 9, 2012 6:13 PM

When you lose by 5 touchdowns it's time to review your playbook.

When you lose by a fieldgoal it's time to review your execution.

I will say that bronze age philosophy doesn't have a place in 21st century politics. Especially when most of the population is not religious and suspicious and fearful of those who are.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

KWICKO

Friday, November 9, 2012 6:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaveTroll:
When you lose by 5 touchdowns it's time to review your playbook.

When you lose by a fieldgoal it's time to review your execution.

And when you lose by 126 points, it's time to sell the team.

Quote:

I will say that bronze age philosophy doesn't have a place in 21st century politics. Especially when most of the population is not religious and suspicious and fearful of those who are.

Cites? "Most of the population is not religious"? Huh. That's news to me. I must have missed all those atheists who got elected President in between the 44 christians in a row...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

HKCAVALIER

Friday, November 9, 2012 7:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
I may be wrong, but I think prominent party supporters and party representative positions on abortion, contraception, and rape were even more damaging than their immigration stance.

It turns out a lot of people in this country are women, and some of them vote. Of those, a few vote in their own interests.

Certainly,

But so far the Right-wing mouth-pieces have yet to do any abouts face on those issues. Something tells me they ain't gonna either. After all, we have never been at war with Eurasia and there is no war on women.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

CAVETROLL

Friday, November 9, 2012 7:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by CaveTroll:
When you lose by 5 touchdowns it's time to review your playbook.

When you lose by a fieldgoal it's time to review your execution.

And when you lose by 126 points, it's time to sell the team.

Quote:

I will say that bronze age philosophy doesn't have a place in 21st century politics. Especially when most of the population is not religious and suspicious and fearful of those who are.

Cites? "Most of the population is not religious"? Huh. That's news to me. I must have missed all those atheists who got elected President in between the 44 christians in a row...

Romney lost by less than a million votes. Or 0.7% of the popular vote.

So, you WANT religion in politics? I'm surprised. This is a big turnaround for you, Kwindbago. Or are you just looking to pick a fight over WHY you shouldn't have religion in politics? I'll spell it out for you.

FIRST AMENDMENT.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 7:18 PM

Quote:
Romney lost by less than a million votes.

Hello,

That does not match the reality I perceive.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

M52NICKERSON

Friday, November 9, 2012 7:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Romney lost by less than a million votes. Or 0.7% of the popular vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

Romney lost the popular vote by over 3 million votes, or about 2.5%.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

KWICKO

Friday, November 9, 2012 8:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by CaveTroll:
When you lose by 5 touchdowns it's time to review your playbook.

When you lose by a fieldgoal it's time to review your execution.

And when you lose by 126 points, it's time to sell the team.

Quote:

I will say that bronze age philosophy doesn't have a place in 21st century politics. Especially when most of the population is not religious and suspicious and fearful of those who are.

Cites? "Most of the population is not religious"? Huh. That's news to me. I must have missed all those atheists who got elected President in between the 44 christians in a row...

Romney lost by less than a million votes. Or 0.7% of the popular vote.

Wrong answer. Try again.

He lost by 126 electoral votes. That's a landslide, according to right-wing pundits.

Quote:

So, you WANT religion in politics? I'm surprised. This is a big turnaround for you, Kwindbago. Or are you just looking to pick a fight over WHY you shouldn't have religion in politics? I'll spell it out for you.

FIRST AMENDMENT.

I didn't realize this was a thread about what I *WANT*; I thought it was a thread dealing with WHAT IS, not what should never be.

You said that most of the population is not religious. I question that view. Certainly *I'M* not religious, but your right-wing fucknut friends never tire of telling me I'm going to hell for that, which amuses me to no end.

CaveTrolLOLOLOLOL, part-time plagiarist and full-time douchebag.

NIKI2

Friday, November 9, 2012 8:45 PM

Oh, Anthony, sweetie, I'm SO sorry! I never meant for you to go to all that trouble--I sincerely appreciate it, and thank you (I, too, am beginning to save some of the worst--all of it, by the way, from our righties! If I see anything equally hideous from a leftie, I will certainly save that too, I guarantee).

The "stupid fucking bitch" I see was a condensation of that post of Wulf's. I saved the thread when he first wrote it, just didn't realize you'd condensed it.

Six doesn't surprise me...for some strange reason he really went off the deep end when I started ignoring him. I didn't recognize until I saw the "ignore me" in the original that it was part of that.

And of course Raptor's is no surprise and I remembered it when he wrote it.

I'm sure equally vicious things have been said to/about others here, but until now I hadn't saved them. Am doing so in future, not PURELY out of spite (tho' yup, that's in there) but because of a personal desire to remind people of who we're "talking" to.

Thanx again Anthony; those are keepers!

By the way, Wulf also called me a "barren succubus"--but that was before I started noting URLs and dates, so I can't prove it. Just sayin'.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

NIKI2

Friday, November 9, 2012 8:55 PM

Oh, and just for fun, there are a few others I saved--again, before I started keeping track of URLs, so they can call me a liar if they want to, but they DID post the following:

Quote:
Whozit: "Barry and ALOT of Demorats are going to lose BIG in November even if they get most of the minority vote, and then I will LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!"

SixString: "When we get Mitt into the President's Chair (which is an inevatibility now), I will vote for Dems in the congress in 2014. But seriously.... Mitt IS going to win in November. There is NO QUESTION about that."

Cave, you also posted "Cavetroll "Don't worry. the democrats will get their turn to play politics by obstruction." So we'll see just how "obstructive" Democrats are when they get the power. Make a note.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

1KIKI

Friday, November 9, 2012 9:32 PM

google knows all

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51450&mid=8
90266

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Oooo, there's another goodie to remember when anyone tries to defend Wulf."

Please do, you barren succubus.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

STORYMARK

Friday, November 9, 2012 9:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaveTroll:

Romney lost by less than a million votes. Or 0.7% of the popular vote.

Do you even TRY to look for facts before spouting bullshit??

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NIKI2

Friday, November 9, 2012 9:49 PM

Oh, dear, Anthony, look what you started...

Per my frustration with people responding to Rap asking for cites, etc., let us not forget this pearl:

Quote:
I do speak off the cuff, mostly, as I view these forums as more as free flowing conversations, and not term papers, to be accompanied by voluminous pages of cut and paste, or twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.

But that's just how I roll. Your usage may vary.

Given his own words, I ask again: WHY does anyone bother asking him to back up what he says??

And Wulf; why does anyone bother with him when he posted the following, when asked "Do you TRY for Epic Fail, Wulfie - or does it just come natural to you?"

"I DO try. Its amusing to watch people foam at the mouth."

We all, of course, remember these gems from Rap after the gulf spill: “Mr. President--you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President”

...and his remarks to you, Anthony, at the same time: "Anthony--go fuck yourself...make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard”

and Frem, same time: ”Frem--You miserable piece of shit”

aaaand Mike: ”Kwicko--You're the putrid slime which oozes between troll's toes, you're so low.”

He seems to have been quite upset with everyone for a while there... (/sarcasm)

Toward Nick from Raptor, 10/28/12:

Quote:
And Nickerson ? You're a fucking moron. Go fuck yourself.

http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53367

I particularly liked this one: September 22, 2008 ( in response to Malbadinlatin, who said “I cite Iraq, the economy, and coming soon...energy shortages and environmental disasters. When Obama wins he will be saddled with an economy that waits for four to eight years for people to buy houses again. And a goat fuck of a war...among many other goodies Obama will inherit”)) Auraptor’s response: “There will be no envirmental disasters, any more than happens on a routine schedule. We need not worry about Obama winning. So he won't have to be burdened w/ anything.”

Quote:
Gems from Raptor regarding Dubya:

August 13, 2005: “When has Bush done anything but keep his word ?”

May 6, 2006: “After all, Bush was responsible for some damn good choices.

October 3, 2006: “Bush never once said Gitmo 'has to be ended'. To the contrary, he specifically said he would NOT close Gitmo, and is proud of the purpose for which it serves.”

August 8, 2007:” Bush, keeping America safe from Islamic Terrorist for 6+ years sicne 9/11, while cutting taxes, increasing revenue to the Treasury with 4 1/2 years of steady, economic growth” ... “there was no Illegal wiretapping, so excuse Bush for that too”

August 11, 2007 (defending the Katrina response): “it is imparitive that the state and local Governments acts as the primary responders” ... “The Fed Gov't can't and should never be expected to keep us safe from everything, all the time, everywhere” “We invaded Iraq because , after 10 yrs of sanctions, it did not live up to the obligations the U.N. had determined necessary ... “Iraq was invaded because it left us no choice

August 12, 2007: “Under Bush, the U.S. took in more tax revenue in history.” (Sig posted figures showing that untrue) “We have record revenues under Bush. Sorry, but they simply are ... Fed Revenue under Bush is higher than under Clinton. Had the US spent LESS than a drunken sailor, we'd have a surplus budget now. Had the US spent less than a buzzed sailor, our defecit would be less than 1/2 of what it is now. But we didn't, so it'll take longer to balance the budget. BFD. ... Aren't you glad we have real growth under Bush rather than the phony crap that Clinton's administration touted from the Dot Com charade ?”

March 8, 2008: “Bush is a fine American”

March

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME

STORYMARK

Friday, November 9, 2012 9:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Whozit: "Barry and ALOT of Demorats are going to lose BIG in November even if they get most of the minority vote, and then I will LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!"

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51825

Quote:
SixString: "When we get Mitt into the President's Chair (which is an inevatibility now), I will vote for Dems in the congress in 2014. But seriously.... Mitt IS going to win in November. There is NO QUESTION about that."

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51766&mid=8
94431

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NIKI2

Friday, November 9, 2012 9:54 PM

Ahh, thank you Kiki, I had no reference for that one.

And of course I, in particular, will never forget a certain "Kane":

Quote:
: "Niki--condescending arrogant fat old bi-polar hag .... You are an asshole ... one does not need a sockpuppet to tell you to fuck off".... eat shit you big government whore .... I do hate you ... You are an arrogant douche” ... “you fucking fat twinkie eating, money stealing whore” “but what else should I expect from a fucking shit-eating libtard mind. Now go do your research you fucking idiot”...”You are an old whore... fuck off” “You filthy dirty rotten old hag. You are an old cunt of a women. Go sit on a bike with no seat. Read what I just wrote, again, once more.....now go die”...”She is talking out of her old fat ass. Who is the bigger fucking idiot...you or that fat old white-haired, Buddhist, vegetable loving, hemp wearing, chronic masturbator?”...”I tell two douche bags that they are either gay or a stupid whore)...just a girl telling liberal idiots to fuck themselves. How is that trolling? You need to reevaluate your last two posts...or eat dick...or a lot of dicks....” "My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike....if you had a soul.”

And PN, who's always been a staunch ally:

Quote:
PN: "Yes niki, you're Taliban. You can't be anything-ovich though, you have to be -ovna or -ova Nikita Nicovna Talibani. You are a triple agent, you clearly work for al Qaeda, the Mossad, and Obama Sotero Hussein of the Mao Mao rebels. Your mission here is to uncover the true identity of firefly posters, and their secret agendas, or is it agendae. Although, at times, when tracking down the wild whozit, you feel a bit like you have been sent on a false lead by Maxwell Smart."

Lovely people, all of them...

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

ANTHONYT

Friday, November 9, 2012 10:00 PM

Hello,

Kane threatened to rape you and your roommate. I am not a good enough Christian to forgive him.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

NIKI2

Friday, November 9, 2012 10:14 PM

Good gawd, Anthony, why would we bother FORGIVING Kane? Sweetie, far as I know (unless he WAS a sickpuppy...in which case he'll show up under another personna no doubt), he is long gone, and in my opinion wasn't important enough to pay attention to at the time, much less waste energy trying to forgive!

You are, nonetheless, AWFULLY sweet to feel that way.

I DO seem to rile some people up, don't I? I still occasionally (when I bother to think about it) wonder if Kane was someone's sickpuppy--someone here who wouldn't otherwise want to own up to the things he said...

...not that it's of the slightest importance.

Quote:
I will say that bronze age philosophy doesn't have a place in 21st century politics. Especially when most of the population is not religious and suspicious and fearful of those who are.

May not have occurred to you, Cave, that it's not about being suspicious and fearful of people who are religious, but of people who clearly indicate how they would CONTROL others to fit their beliefs. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone following any faith, only of those who would impose their faith on ME.

Oh Maaark...has someone been keeping track, hmmmm?

Thank you; now I have links to back up the quotes. Goodie.

Chortle...Rap got all twisted in a knot at the idea of Obama saying the best revenge was to vote--which, by the way, beats the hell out of getting violent, as some Republicans seem to now be espousing--and it occurred to me after looking this stuff up that "The best revenge is to QUOTE!"

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

STORYMARK

Friday, November 9, 2012 10:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

I DO seem to rile some people up, don't I?

There's a lot of late stage cro-magnons still lurking about, who clearly feel threatened by a woman with an opinion, and info to back them.

Funny how they always seem to fall under the same political umbrella...

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

KWICKO

Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:19 AM

Quote:
While I kept some of the, as Frem called it, "fullisade of jerkass rhetoric", I didn't keep URLs...I will in future. ;o)

Well, if you have the quotes, some quick Google-fu will get you the URL. Plug the quote into a Google search and it should pop up pretty quickly.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

I DO seem to rile some people up, don't I?

There's a lot of late stage cro-magnons still lurking about, who clearly feel threatened by a woman with an opinion, and info to back them.

Funny how they always seem to fall under the same political umbrella...

Yep, interesting that Kane zeroed in on Niki with vile sexually threatening language. He really is a sicko. I suspect he is in jail on methamphetamine charges.

I find PN kind of hilarious. It reminds me of the insults 5 year olds say to one another.

KWICKO

Sunday, November 11, 2012 3:32 AM

Can't say I've ever heard a bunch of five year-old boys call each other dirty Jew operative Nazi Illuminati Satan-worshipping Molech-bowing Bohemian Grove attendees, but maybe I run with a more bourgeois crowd...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

KWICKO

Sunday, November 11, 2012 3:33 AM

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I DO seem to rile some people up, don't I?

There's a lot of late stage cro-magnons still lurking about, who clearly feel threatened by a woman with an opinion, and info to back them.

Funny how they always seem to fall under the same political umbrella...

Tea Party, Taliban...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:03 AM

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Can't say I've ever heard a bunch of five year-old boys call each other dirty Jew operative Nazi Illuminati Satan-worshipping Molech-bowing Bohemian Grove attendees, but maybe I run with a more bourgeois crowd...

Ah too true. Though I guess I was speaking mentality rather than vocabulary.

NIKI2

Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:39 PM

For me, I find the kind of "reparte" others engage in more akin to the schoolyard stuff...PN actually offends me (if I read him, which I pretty much don't anymore); there's your prime example of what was discussed in the "Fauxhahontis" thread, in a nutshell. And we ignore it, which is, in essence, not calling it out. Every time and essentially every ONE of us. We just go "oh, that's just PN". So how are we any better than the person who doesn't call out an ugly racist joke in social situations?

I think what's become acceptable in America is sickening, especially the last few years. One only has to go on a right-wing site on the internet to hear the very UGLIEST racism aimed at Obama, especially since he won re-election, and maybe if one did, one would see that I'm not just ultra-sensitive to it, the racism, homophobia, sexism are overt and very real...and not by a miniscule minority of Americans. It doesn't do any good to call it out, either, as the right-wing media/pundits/politicians ENCOURAGE it, overtly or subtly. I would say this country has gone to the dogs, only that would be a slur on dogs!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

1KIKI

Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:25 PM

"... the racism, homophobia, sexism are overt and very real...and not by a miniscule minority of Americans ..."

I keep thinking about that.

If one were to test people in ... France ... Iceland ... China ... the San bushmen ... what would the percentages of RWAs be? I think it's a stage of development most children go through that some outgrow, but not others. Do differing societies result in different percentages of RWAs? Different intensities? Does the category RWA even make sense in all societies?

My SENSE is that it's a category that is meaningful across cultures. I SUSPECT that children - being the survival machines that they are - adopt whatever mode seems the most likely to ensure they fit in with their society (or at least pretend to).

But whether that's true or not, and what the biological mechanisms of such different processing schema could be, is not something I know.

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, November 12, 2012 12:23 AM

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My SENSE is that it's a category that is meaningful across cultures. I SUSPECT that children - being the survival machines that they are - adopt whatever mode seems the most likely to ensure they fit in with their society (or at least pretend to).

Which is why I have such "issues" with our established public education and so-called-parenting systems, as they tend to produce such lost creatures in droves, especially the later cause that abusive form of upbringing creates and forments a cycle of abuse as each generation passes it down unto the next.

On a macro scale, it has lead to what I consider the insanity of an entire society, but even so human empathy wins out in any case worth a mention on an overall scale - still, one RWA can do so much damage out of proportion to their percentage of population, especially since as our society has curdled, they wind up the ones with the most substantial resources and writing the rules for everyone else, you see.

But the ROOT of it comes to the essential mistreatment of a child in order to produce a mindset like that, they don't spring, fully formed, from some nefarious well of horror, we CREATE them.
http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/lifestyle.html

Note the date, hell, the YEAR, of this speech - and as we rewarded that conduct so long as it was done with a socially acceptable gloss (religious leaders, corporate bigwigs, miltary and political leaders) it became the new normalised mainstream, this *IS* effectively what they are, what they have become, not by virtue of crossed wires (barring a rare few) but by LEARNED BEHAVIOR that has become so calcified it no longer makes any difference that they weren't born sociopaths.

It takes a certain insanity to stand against a tide like that, but be damned if I won't - always and ever.

-Frem

OONJERAH

Monday, November 12, 2012 1:30 AM

"racism, homophobia, sexism," and if I may add, militant religion.

The 50's, as I keep saying, were different. We and our Allies had
defeated Hitler and Japan. We were all prouder than peacocks of
our heroism, our justice, our freedoms. I sure was.

Racism: Was practiced, recognised and largely discouraged. Most of
my literature (comic books) contained messages against it.
These days, many people don't know we had black slavery in America
for more than half its history ... or maybe only 89 years if I count
from the Revolution to the Civil War. People who know of the Civil
War today got it from the movies. Not School. Please, someone, tell
me I am wrong about this.

Sexism: We were so steeped in it, it seemed normal, natural. I would
not even become aware of it for decades, when Women Lib began to
make a lot of waves. I did have my own problems with sexism: Wives
were a Ball & Chain. Women were expected to stand on a chair and
scream at the sight of a mouse. What crap!

Homophobia: Can't comment; never heard of gays then. I guess they
were among the very many aspects of reality that were unmentionable
in my home.

Religion. Everyone was Christians, weren't they? Not my Dad so much;
never knew what his belief was, but he was down on churches. Then
there were the Jews and they were OK.
Every Sunday school I went to taught love, compassion, forgiveness,
turn the other cheek, do unto others as you would have them do unto
you, Jesus loves me, & contribute to missionary work in other lands.
Christians I know who are my age still have those principles.
But twenty years younger than me, you start getting this very strange
bunch of people who claim to be Christians but speak as if they are
anti-Christ. They talk about who should be stoned and burned.
Me: "Yeah, but ... what about the teachings of Jesus?"
"You have to be a Christian or go to Hell," they say.

We were taught in school that most of the early colonists on our
Eastern seaboard came to America to escape religious persecution.
No one in my youth Ever suggested the joining of Church and State.
We all knew that it went against 350 years of US & colonial history.

In the 50's, we were very proud of our rights, freedoms, our system
of justice. We were practicing all kinds of discrimination, but most
of us (me) were unaware of it.

Then came the 60's, 70's, endless protests about our hypocrisies. In
general, I think, we the people woke up a bit, recognised our short-
comings and tried to correct them. New thinking became popular as we
tried to extend equal freedom to minorities, women & non-Christians.
As for the gay movement, I don't know. It is popular to support them
now, but weren't they just on their own for the longest while?

We've come a long way, Baby, and now, we're getting the backlash: the
Nasty Neanderthal Reaction. Because somewhere along the way, a move
to dumb down America began, and it's been pretty damn successful.

Why do I keep bringing this stuff up?
Those who don't know History are doomed to repeat it.
Be Here Now is good; perspective makes it better.

=========================

NIKI2

Monday, November 12, 2012 10:47 PM

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one RWA can do so much damage out of proportion to their percentage of population, especially since as our society has curdled, they wind up the ones with the most substantial resources and writing the rules for everyone else, you see.

Right on, Frem, to an incredibly sad degree we are learning these days!

Oonj, racism wasn't "discouraged" in America until the civil rights movement...hell, even long after that, and some still "practice" it to this day, tho' now it IS discouraged (at least publicly and by most people). It was practiced and accepted at times in our country against Jews pretty badly, Native Americans (and still is in some places in Idaho that I know of) and of course African Americans. The attitude still pervades in some--didn't one politician just recently say slavery was good for Black folk in some ways, or something stupid like that? Don't kid yourself; while not PC, it still lives and within some subsets of our culture, is quite open.

Even here...back in the '90s when I was working for lawyers, my supervisor had moved here from New York. Looking for places to live, she talked to the landlord of one place on the phone at great length. They had a lot in common and of course she didn't "sound" black, being a middle-class woman from NY. The landlord was excited about the prospect of having her as a tenant (reeely excited!), but when Christine walked up to her apartment building, the landlord blanched, stammered and said the room had already been rented. Less than twenty years ago, in California, where we tend to think such things don't exist!

Sexism was just the way things WERE when I was growing up in the sixties; like you said, normal, natural. My mom was "forced" to work outside the home when Pan Am laid my dad off (after we returned from Afghanistan)--and she was somewhat outside the mold, having been a secretary in S.F. when younger). Nonetheless, she blamed dad for "making" her work outside the home, and still did the "dress up" thing, making full sit-down dinners for us, dressing me up for school in matching skirts and blouses (anyone remember the "poodle skirt"?), having parties with hors d'oeuvres, the whole schebang. Yeah, the women's lib thing changed things, but not that long ago by time standards, and I have internet friends whose whole point in life is to find a husband, go the "big wedding" method, want to have kids right away and expect a husband who will let them be stay-at-home mothers. Mind you, for the kids' sake I think that's great, but as a mentality...? One put her whole being into the wedding, gave us links to her wedding gown choices, they blew tons on the wedding and honeymoon, soon after he got cancer, lost his job, they were broke with a kid and went through hell. When I think of all the money that fancy wedding gown, the wedding and honeymoon cost and where it left them...

Homosexuality was, I think, unmentionable in MOST families. It's been around throughout history, but most societies never "accepted it" openly like we do now, as much as we DO now...it's still as big a thing as racism in some societies, again not PC but acceptable within the "group". I think

As to religion, my parents were "casually religious"--went to church (all dressed up) every week, I went to Sunday school, mom participated in church functions, but neither of them ever talked to me about God or religion. I know mom was a Christian Scientist as a child, and dad got his best sleep of the week at church; beyond that I know nothing, except that back then America was far more religious than now, and no, the concept of religion and politics was alien...maybe because it was just such an unspoken part of our government?

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NIKI2

Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:35 PM

As I leave you for today, I just had to bump this...given the threats-to-leave-America thread, the threat-to-secede thread, the Turdblossom's-excuses thread, the Five-Stages-of-Grief thread and the Alan-West-is-Out thread, it belongs right up there with them. Put them together, and that pretty much says it all...

See 'ya tomorry.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, January 5, 2017 1:10 AM

2 which are broadcasting and have become very rightwing or alt-right?
Alex Jones and Stefan Molyneux

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:32 AM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
2 which are broadcasting and have become very rightwing or alt-right?
Alex Jones and Stefan Molyneux

Thanks for bumping the thread.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, January 13, 2017 6:10 AM

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Romney lost by less than a million votes. Or 0.7% of the popular vote.

Romney lost the popular vote by over 3 million votes, or about 2.5%.

I can understand that you do not comprehend the American Election system, so I will grant you the information that Romney lost by a little over 310,000 votes.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, October 26, 2018 3:33 AM

Here we have a fine example of failed Libtard thinking trying to rationalize reality.
Decent teaching point, learning opportunity.