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Hasn't anyone figured out yet that Enterprise is 100% Rated G?
They should move Enterprise to Saturday mornings.
mattro
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Originally posted by Hjermsted:
Hasn't anyone figured out yet that Enterprise is 100% Rated G?
For a G-rated show, it sure has a lot of gratuitous T&A. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy looking at pretty girls as much as anybody, but the idea of a Vulcan with giant fake boobs just doesn't work for me. Suspension of disbelief only gets you so far, you know?
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Forgot about those contrived de-contamination room scenes. PG-13 on those days.
Still, I've seen Saturday morning X-Men cartoons with better character tension/development than Enterprise.
mattro
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I have never understood that "no interpersonal conflict" thing. I mean, every single text out there in the universe about drama tells you it MEANS conflict! the original Trek had plenty of conflict.
Plus, I'm a sucker for some good Trip/Reed subtext and they do that best when they're arguing. *g*
Fortunately "Enterprise" is my "watching because the guys are cute and no braincells are required" show. I have Buffy and Firefly (for now) for the higher level viewing.
DL
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Originally posted by DarkLady:
I have never understood that "no interpersonal conflict" thing.
Well, if I remember right, Roddenberry wrote at some point-- maybe in the show bible-- that the characters on Star Trek don't have the petty jealousies that we have. So conflict, yes, but no childish conflict.
I think "War Stories" puts this in perspective nicely. The motivation for that entire episode was Wash's petty jealousy of Mal. (Or of Zoe. Or whatever. I won't even touch that discussion.) I mean, can you imagine the episode without that?
"Gee, Zoe, I think I'd like to go with the Captain this time."
"Okay, honey. Have a good time! *smooch*"
(later)
"Well, Wash, it looks like we're being tortured. Ow!"
"Yeah. Good thing we have our mature, platonic friendship to keep us sane-- ow!-- because I don't think I could stand this-- ow!-- if I were by myself. Ow!"
"Indeed, old friend. Ow! Say, how's Zoe? Ow!"
"She's fine. Ow!"
And so on. *shudder* I hesitate to even think along those lines any further. I'll take the petty stuff any day, thank you very much.
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Originally posted by DarkLady:
Fortunately "Enterprise" is my "watching because the guys are cute and no braincells are required" show. I have Buffy and Firefly (for now) for the higher level viewing.DL
I would disagree with the view point that Firefly is more of a "Intelligent" show then Star Trek. To be sure, I enjoy Firefire more but in most respects it is a visceral experience. It has all those moments that tweak the heart like when Wash made his decision to go save Malcolm in "War Stories" or when Malcolm confronts Jayne at the air lock in "Ariel". These are moments of high emotion. Its not the brain that is pulling the audience in, but the heart.
In contrast Star Trek is about sub-space, aliens, and the implications of technological change to our humanity. The later still relatively untouched in Firefly. I mean Firefly is no Philip K Dick novel.
One thing that Firefly does do is demand the viewers attention...but of course the ability to pay attention to a television drama has never been germane in gauging intelligence :)
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Enterprise is still surviving due to the "star-trek-bonus", if it would be a newly designed show in a newly designed universe, i guess i wouldn't want to see it, but just a lil protection for Enterprise, DS9 started so terribly boring and developed quite well, so in enterprise it can only get better.
My guess is that enterprise has a great lack of "bad guys", not that "lets kick some innocent asses bad guys" but this "moral" bad guys, bit like the empire in Star Wars, and there is this captn tightpants who is not a man of restrictions and protocols so he does what he wants - like kicking other people into engines - and this is also something you wouldnt find in Enterprise. And the third problem of Ent is that its kinda predictible, which is totaly different in FF, there are often situations whre you are expecting the characters to think but they just do (zoe, deciding which man to take in war stories).
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Hey, it's all groundwork at this point. Remember tha B5 took a couple seasons to start breaking out the dynamite.
X-Files also started building up steam slowly. But, holy smokes, when it was good...questions galore.
Trek, on its better moments did ask the Big Questions. It hasn't done that in years, IMO. DS9 got a big war. The whole universe just turned militaristic and dark. The Enterprise-E is a WARSHIP. Not a ship of exploration that's equipped to defend itself, but a bonna fide gunboat. That disturbed me most of all, I think.
Other Roddenberry concoctions met with the same fate, and it is rather sad. Andromeda started off pretty cool, but I'm not sure about what it is now. And anyone ever check out Earth: Final Conflict?
(You're talking to a Trekker who's left the fandom, FYI. Spent five years heavily involved, especially in early DS9 fandom.)
And I dunno much about Buffy, aside from it also took a couple years to start going to the limits with the characters. Right now, we're still just learning who these folks are. Hopefully, FOX will be nice enough to let us see these characters for many years and many levels.
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