Will a serious presidential candidate please stand up?
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 20:47
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, I could go back and dig up all that info, but then you'd only whine and complain about me "going down to the grey file cabinets again".
Nah. Go ahead.
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Let's suffice to say that I've yet to hear you criticize any candidate who gets labeled "conservative"...
Said several times I wouldn't (couldn't in good conscience) vote for either party's candidate. Seems a pretty direct criticizm to me.
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...and I've yet to hear you disagree with any white Republican, or agree with any black Democrat. (Voter ID laws come to mind...)
Well I do support same-sex marriage, which puts me in disagreement with both the White Republican (if that's code for Romney) and the Black Democrat (if that's code for Obama).
Voter ID? It the gift that keeps on giving for both parties. If the Repubs didn't push it to fire up their base, the Dems couldn't use it to fire up theirs. I can't see the actual requirement for ID as having near as much effect on turnout as the propaganda surrounding it will have.
I'll just wait for your list of other stuff.
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Atten Hut,
Well Geeze I have to tell ya. 4 more years of the O or 8 years of Romney. Which can you stomach. I don't want to vote. I just can't see the point. They put us into this global recession. No one has gone to jail over it. They are still continuing the practices on Wall Street that caused it. The US citizens sell off everything in America we can pay off 9 trillion out of the 16 trillion we owe. Our country is in serious trouble. We need leaders with vision on the future. We can elect but not select.
At ease.
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Saying you wouldn't vote for either candidate in no way means you are nonpartisan. Consistently defending the right and dissing the left shows your true leanings. One does not equate to the other, simple as that.
I won't even get INTO voter ID, given your mind is locked where that one is concerned. The facts are there and easy to find; obviously it's easy for YOU, so it must be easy for everyone I guess. Why exactly do you think the Republicans have worked so hard and fought any effort against it WHEN VOTER FRAUD IS VIRTUALLY NONEXISTANT, then? (That's a rhetorical question; there IS no reason for it, as has been made obvious, and if we're not lucky, it will steal the election for Romney despite his lack of support among African Americans, Latinos, students, women, etc., etc.)
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Yeah. Mitt not being far ENOUGH to the right doesn't make one a centrist.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Well I do support same-sex marriage, which puts me in disagreement with both the White Republican (if that's code for Romney) and the Black Democrat (if that's code for Obama).
Apparently, this post was written last year, and save for some reason. Or Geezer lives in cave.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Bill Maher said there is no one to represent the left. The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. Yeh I am right I never said I was nonpartisan. Adventure Capitalist Jim Rogers says neither candidate have a clue to the crisis we are in. Boon Pickens said that last time around about the energy dependence with the last bunch that ran. The empty suits are not going to fix anything but make it worse.
It's better to light a candle than shout in the dark.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Why exactly do you think the Republicans have worked so hard and fought any effort against it WHEN VOTER FRAUD IS VIRTUALLY NONEXISTANT, then?
All you have to do is actually read what I type, rather than make your usual biased assumptions.
The Republicans are supporting voter ID laws because it ENERGIZES THEIR BASE!!!!
The Democrats are just as happy to let the Republicans propose voter ID laws because it ENERGIZES THEIR BASE!!!!
The amount of voter fraud is negligible, but the Republican base believes it's a big issue because there are partisan articles and editorials that "prove" it is.
The number of voters who'll be disenfranchized by voter ID laws is negligible, but the Democratic base believes it's a big issue because there are partisan articles and editorials that "prove" it is.
You will of course quote more partisan articles and say "BUT THIS PROVES IT". I will remain unconvinced.
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Cat, my remark was aimed at Geezer, not at you. I'm as sick to death of voting for the "least worst" candidate as anyone.
I find it sad that, given not only is voter suppression a well-known, historical tactic of the right, but that a couple of Republicans have ADMITTED that the voter-ID thing will give Romney their state, Geezer seems to need to believe it's only to energize their base. I don't think their base gives a shit about voter-suppression, and it definitely wouldn't make them like Romney more (which a lot of them obviously do NOT). His self-deception would be amusing, given everything that clearly shows the intent, if it weren't so self-delusionally sad.
Why bother posting facts and figures for him? His mind is as closed as Raptor's, and he's just as unable to see reality. Facts and figures are a waste of time on people like them.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
...but that a couple of Republicans have ADMITTED that the voter-ID thing will give Romney their state, Geezer seems to need to believe it's only to energize their base.
Well. Yes.
If they energize their base by acting to stop all those illegal aliens from voting (I know, I know - but that's what their base believes), they think they'll get more Republicans out to vote, and they'll win their state.
As to the Republican base believing in voter fraud: http://www.illegalaliens.us/votefraud.htm
And that's just the first that came up googling (well, Bing, actually) "illegal aliens voting". There are pages & pages.
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Stupid Republican voters aside, they didn't pass the LAWS that are the problem. While there are plenty of stupid legislators, I'm pretty sure most of them don't believe this "illegal alien voter fraud" bullshit. Their reasons are obvious by their statements alone. Your argument falls apart given the laws passed wouldn't stop forged papers anyway, and they know that...as well as knowing perfectly well that the facts show "voter fraud" is virtually nonexistant.
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