"NOW Do You Believe in Global Warming?"

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KPO

Friday, July 20, 2012 3:44 PM

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How then did we have a Medieval warming period, which took place LONG before the industrial revolution ? If C02 is the CAUSE of global warming, that is, then please explain.

First of all no one is claiming that CO2 is the only factor in Earth's temperature (solar variation, volcanic activity etc. can also play a big part) - but that it is the main driver of CURRENT global warming. In the past raised temperatures have been caused by changes in Earth's orbit around the sun - but that led to an increase in CO2, which added to the temperature rise and kept the temperatures higher for a long time afterwards.

As for the Medieval warming period, I explained earlier in the thread - some REGIONS of the planet were warmer, but ON THE WHOLE THE PLANET WAS COOLER. This is a common mistake/trick of climate skeptics, to cherry pick regional temperature records, and then apply them to the whole planet.

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And if this vicious cycle , which has occurred before, leads to warmer and warmer temps, then why haven't we joined Venus in really cooking things up by now ?

Well we only receive about half as much solar heat as Venus, so we'll never have Venus-like conditions here. Understand that CO2 is not a heat source, it warms the planet by trapping the heat that we get from the sun. And if we only get so much of that, then that is a limit on warming. Another limit is the fact that as the earth gets hotter it radiates more heat out into space. So there are limits to how much our temperature can deviate - but that's not to say the temperature changes we are on course to see will not have a drastic effect on our climate.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Friday, July 20, 2012 3:56 PM

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Despite what Obama says, it didn't just 'happen'.

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It's not personal. It's just war.

NIKI2

Friday, July 20, 2012 7:09 PM

I think he's snarking about Obama having said small businesses don't get created by one person. Not sure, but that's what it sounds like.

If you recycle, etc., good for you, Raptor...you didn't actually say you DID, just that I was wrong to assume you don't.

It's a useless argument, folks. The more facts you come up with to convince deniers, the more they will close their ears and keep repeating their favorite talking points. It's like the gun argument, with the difference being that whether someone owns a gun or not doesn't result in the extinction of our species, but with the same stubborn adherence to what each person believes.

For simplicity's sake, and for anyone who actually CARES about it, rather than just wants to fight about it, listen to Harry:

http://www.conservation.org/act/get_involved/protect_forests/Pages/def
orestation.aspx?gclid=CO3-go34qLECFYQGRQodTHEA-w

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, July 20, 2012 7:39 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

In just over 2 years I had turned 13k into 15.6k in my Roth IRA. I thought I was the Wall Street Kid.... So when the DOW dropped from around 15k down to 12k, I thought it would be a good time to invest in a name brand like GE. It topped out at about 42 bucks a share and I figured I was getting a bargain at 27 bucks a share. I also spent just about as much on US Bankcorp, which was giving a 5.25% dividend when savings accounts were giving less than 1%. Shortly after about 8k in those 2 purchases, the bottom fell out and I saw my 13k (plus 2.6k) turn into just over 6k in about 8 months. (This was money I'd already paid taxes on and didn't have a company match on either).

I rode it out. I didn't panic sell because I didn't need the money at the time. By the time I sold both of those stocks, they weren't worth as much as I'd paid for them, but they recovered greatly. My other big winners on the side lines helped push my final outcome to 13.2k. 200 bucks interest on 13k isn't too shabby for 4 years in this climate.

I just did the quick math. $200 interest on 13,000 over 4 year is .38 % a year simple interest, 1.5 + a tiny decimal % over the 4 years total. Depending on just what ammount under 1% those savings accounts were paying, you might have been better off overall.

NIKI2

Friday, July 20, 2012 7:50 PM

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The lack of rain is affecting Nockamixon State Park. The water fall has stopped falling. Lake level of the lake is dropping as well as the flow of the creek leaving the park which helps feed the Delaware that is a major source of water supply in the Bucks County area to Philadelphia. Here in my home town of New Hope the level of the Delaware River is minus .5 feet. We need rain badly the local farms are just withering away. With corn at just under 3 feet tall something I have never seen before in this area. SteadyDonkey of New Hope, Pennsylvania, has been visiting Nockamixon State Park for the past 30 years and says he’s never seen the water level of Nockamixon Lake as low as it has been this summer. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-816832?hpt=hp_bn1

Just sayin'...

KPO

Friday, July 20, 2012 11:06 PM

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I think he's snarking about Obama having said small businesses don't get created by one person. Not sure, but that's what it sounds like.

Oh, the line about small businesses Obama didn't say, but Romney edited to make it sound as though he had?

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Monday, July 23, 2012 9:18 PM

So Auraptor now that I've answered all your points, I'd still like to hear an answer to this question:

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What is this 'real science' that you're referring to? Is it right-wing blogs and Daily Mail articles? Would you recognise real scientific literature, if you saw it? Would you recognise propaganda masquerading as 'real science' if you saw it?

It's not personal. It's just war.

NIKI2

Monday, July 23, 2012 9:33 PM

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A graduate student studying wildlife biology was visiting Terre Haute, Indiana, where the lake at the Wabashiki Fish and Wildlife Area is suffering from receding water levels. He explains that the lake is a flood plain wetland that is often inundated by flood water from the Wabash River. He says that many lakes do typically dry up to some degree because of the summer, but this lake normally stays full.

With intense heat and little rainfall, he says currently the drought conditions in Terre Haute are extreme. These extreme conditions are evident with the dried lake and the decaying fish within it, he points out. He says as an avid bird watcher, he sees a lot of repercussion with the dried up lake. ‘It is a big disappointment. This lake attracts an impressive variety of birds and other wildlife... but when I walked out into the lake bed the only bird species I saw were a pair of turkey vultures overhead and a few Red-headed Woodpeckers,' he says.

Seeing the lake dried up to this degree almost seemed surreal to him. 'The dry and cracked lake bed resembled another planet,' he says.

A historic drought is taking its toll on wildlife and agriculture across the nation's heartland. In Terre Haute, Indiana, corn crops are withering, wildlife are suffering as important wetland habitat is drying up, and low water levels and burn bans are putting a damper on summer recreation. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-818610?hpt=hp_bn1

Again, just sayin'...

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:58 AM

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I think our #1 priority should be to create more efficient energy storage

TONY, I think our #1 priority is getting rid of assholes who want to keep everything as dysfunctional and self-destructive as it currently is, starting with the entire group of Washington politicians who think that drilling and fracking our way to the future is a good idea (lookin' at YOU, Mr Obama!) and working our way through all of the fossil fuel CEOs. They belong in the Hall of Shame along with the Seven Dwarfs (the seven tobacco company executives who testified before Congress that they didn't have ANY data showing that nicotine is addictive!) Those suckers will sell anything and say anything to keep making money even if they're killing you and your children and THEIR children and every other living creature on the planet. I put them up there with the nuclear industry.

Fortunately for politicians, they come with a built-in "disable" switch called THE VOTE. If you live in a state that is clearly swinging for Obama (that includes CA) or clearly swinging for Romney, feel free to vote third party.

The Seven Dwarfs
http://www.jeffreywigand.com/7ceos.php

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:34 AM

AnthonyT

You seem to believe that 'the market' is the cure for what ails us. I wonder what leads you to think that? 'The market' gave us the Pacific plastic patch, Fukushima, BP-Macando, the collapse of cod populations in the Atlantic, bis-phenol A and phthalates in our food along with thousands of other chemicals and nanoparticles, extinctions ... and that's just a very very short environmental list (and not even counting the rampant trashing of people).

You seem to think that better cars, renewable energy and other purchasable products will be developed and sold by corporations BECAUSE they're good ideas. Why would you think a corporation is in the business of good ideas? They're in the business of making a product as cheaply as they can get away with and selling it for as much the the market will bear. And 'the market' for those goods you think should be available (at a premium since the corporations already have their cheapest to produce products on the market) only consists of people with discretionary income. Surely you don't think that the purchasing effect of a small fraction of first-world countries on purchasable goods is the central solution - do you?

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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