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"NOW Do You Believe in Global Warming?"

POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Monday, August 27, 2012 01:07
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NIKI2

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:40 PM

I agree with both of you, wholeheartedly! There IS one thing that I would kinda half dispute, however. From what I've heard, read and seen, energy companies are starting to put money into alternative-energy..in teeeny increments, admittedly, but they are. In that respect, it's market-driven. Just like car companies and tobacco companies, they can read the writing on the wall--that their time is limited unless they start diversifying.

It's not truly market driven, if left to their own devices, none of those would be doing what they are doing, and the energy companies (like Big Tobacco) will fight to the death before giving up their strangle hold on the market, but it's only fair to recognize it's happening.

Otherwise, I agree with everything you said, and certainly share your frustration!

NIKI2

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:09 PM

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An ice chunk twice the size of Manhattan broke off of Greenland last week, in another sign of Arctic warming.

The 46-square-mile piece of the Petermann Glacier in Greenland “calved” away from the mainland on Monday. It tore along a crack in the glacier that researchers have been watching for years.

Another iceberg twice its size (i.e., four times the size of Manhattan) broke off the same glacier in 2010.

This striking video by New Scientist shows the damage Petermann has sustained over the past few years. A time-lapse gives a dramatic display of the earliest loss from the glacier (beginning in 2009).

Pretty impressive change in just two years:

Just sayin'...

NIKI2

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:24 PM

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:19 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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I think he's snarking about Obama having said small businesses don't get created by one person. Not sure, but that's what it sounds like.

Oh, the line about small businesses Obama didn't say, but Romney edited to make it sound as though he had?

It's not personal. It's just war.

No, the line Obama actually DID say, and Romney rightfully replayed, full and in context. Same line as you're talking about, but some how you've fallen prey to the brain washing from the MSM.

Obama hates small business, as do most Liberals. Just ask Elizabeth ( lies when speaks ) Warren.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Niki - Your posted cartoon is fracking ridiculous,and a blatant plea to pure lunacy. It only makes sense if you believe dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time, as there were virtually NO ice at the poles during most of the planet's existence.

Seriously, you can't be THIS far gone.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:32 PM

Global Warming's Terrifying New Math
Three simple numbers that add up to global catastrophe - and that make clear who the real enemy is

By Bill McKibben
July 19, 2012 9:35 AM ET

If the pictures of those towering wildfires in Colorado haven't convinced you, or the size of your AC bill this summer, here are some hard numbers about climate change: June broke or tied 3,215 high-temperature records across the United States. That followed the warmest May on record for the Northern Hemisphere – the 327th consecutive month in which the temperature of the entire globe exceeded the 20th-century average, the odds of which occurring by simple chance were 3.7 x 10-99, a number considerably larger than the number of stars in the universe.

Meteorologists reported that this spring was the warmest ever recorded for our nation – in fact, it crushed the old record by so much that it represented the "largest temperature departure from average of any season on record." The same week, Saudi authorities reported that it had rained in Mecca despite a temperature of 109 degrees, the hottest downpour in the planet's history. ...

For the past year, an easy and powerful bit of arithmetical analysis first published by financial analysts in the U.K. has been making the rounds of environmental conferences and journals, but it hasn't yet broken through to the larger public. This analysis upends most of the conventional political thinking about climate change. And it allows us to understand our precarious – our almost-but-not-quite-finally hopeless – position with three simple numbers.

The First Number: 2° Celsius

... So far, we've raised the average temperature of the planet just under 0.8 degrees Celsius, and that has caused far more damage than most scientists expected. (A third of summer sea ice in the Arctic is gone, the oceans are 30 percent more acidic, and since warm air holds more water vapor than cold, the atmosphere over the oceans is a shocking five percent wetter, loading the dice for devastating floods.) Given those impacts, in fact, many scientists have come to think that two degrees (Celsius) is far too lenient a target.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-n
ew-math-20120719#ixzz21fUjeFTG

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:47 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

No, the line Obama actually DID say, and Romney rightfully replayed, full and in context.

Except the parts they deliberately left out.

Do you even know what a full quote IS? Or grasp the notion of context? Evidence suggests not.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NIKI2

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:49 PM

Kiki, I'd kind of like to read the rest, but I just can't. I already know too much, and I KNOW, with no doubt whatsoever, that there are far too many--especially in America--like Raptor who will deny anything's happening with their last, dying breath. Thank you for the input, it might mean something to those of us with more than two brain cells to rub together, but we both know we're pissing in the wind here. It's too late (I think by far); things will go just as the scientists are predicting, and the brainless idiots like Raptor will keep us from doing anything about it, so that despite many other countries having accepted it and doing as much as they can to fight back, people will suffer horrendously. HOPEFULLY, if it doesn't speed up too much, I'll be gone before I have to watch this beautiful blue marble get destroyed.

Having a debate with another Occupier; I say mankind will destroy the earth so badly that it can't recover, she's convinced the earth will heal itself once we're gone (or at least, reduced to stone-age levels so we can't pollute further). Which do you think? Given the acidity mentioned, the rate of extinction of species (and the fact that we're all intertwined in one way or another, even ways of which we can't conceive), do you think the earth can survive us, or will we have created a dead ball? I'd be interested in anyone's theories (well, except the obvious deniers; any "theories" they may have are irrelevant).

One argument I've found is

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The planet has its own dynamic life process. As carbon dioxide levels increase, the planet responds by increasing plant growth (more specifically, a higher supply of carbon dioxide makes a more favorable environment for photosynthetic organisms, like algae).

Likewise, as temperatures rise, there is an increase in available water to life forms. Here, again, a more favorable environment for photosynthetic organisms, as water and carbon dioxide are respired to give off oxygen. As the water and CO2 are removed from the atmosphere and ground, the temperature decreases. While this process takes a mere blink of the planet's proverbial eye, it could take thousands of years. Once the cooling begins to take place, the temperature continues to drop until the photosynthetic life begins to die off due to lack of nutrients. The dead photosynthetic life then decays and decomposes, releasing CO2 and water, beginning the rise of temperatures again.

But given the increasing acidity of the oceans, and how much this suggestion of survival depends on water...? Like can algae surviving in acidic water?

Another posits that microbes--in the oceans and on land--would save the planet ( http://www.livescience.com/1293-earth-survive-global-warming.html), but I don't know enough about that stuff to even have an opinion.

Given I've accepted that we're past tipping point, my interest now is in whether the earth can survive after we're gone, or reduced to a tiny number of survivors with no industrial abilities. There seem to be many opinions, from whether earth will end up like Venus,

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The planet Venus has survived global warming. There the atmosphere is 95% carbon dioxide and all the oceans have boiled dry. The surface temperature there is 894°F (480°C), but the planet has survived. But it's not the same as it was when it was cooler, and had oceans.

or be able to heal itself enough to be habitable by any real lifeform.

KPO

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:55 PM

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No, the line Obama actually DID say, and Romney rightfully replayed, full and in context. Same line as you're talking about, but some how you've fallen prey to the brain washing from the MSM.

Hmm, I guess I've been misled then. Could you provide me with the correct full quote and context?

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:58 PM

Oh and I'm still waiting for an answer to this Auraptor - after the lecture you were giving us on 'real science':

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What is this 'real science' that you're referring to? Is it right-wing blogs and Daily Mail articles? Would you recognise real scientific literature, if you saw it? Would you recognise propaganda masquerading as 'real science' if you saw it?

It's not personal. It's just war.