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I'm sure the bombing of Mosques would do just as much to pacify the Middle East as the bombing of churches in the US would to pacify America.
And I hate the phrase 'bleeding heart', as it is an easy way of shouting down an opposing view point. And I am not one, for I wish to chew the face off 'comedian' Jim Davidson, stab Michael Moore for being annoyingly fatuous and self-obsessed (and for not doing anything genuinely incisive and funny since the superb Roger & Me and 'TV Nation') and wished that we sent in a huge military force into Yugoslavia early on to act as a buffer between warring nations in the war there.
Bombing never achieves anything against terrorists unless you know that they are in the building. Bomb more than a few dozen and you kill innocent civilians, which creates more terrorists.
P.S: I actually think that maybe the UN needs to move into Chechnya with an overwhelming force of everybody but Russians, and sort out the mess there with a clear political plan to stabalise the region and restore its autonomy, with limited violence if need be. But that's just wishful thinking, it's never going to happen. Oh, and same with Israel and Palastine, they had God knows how long to stop the attacks on both sides, time we stopped it with a bit of face slapping.
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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Yes, but when it comes to the Palestinians, they don't want a self-sufficient state. They want Israel for their own. We convinced, though I imagine it was a hard job, Israel to give up part of it's own territory to give to Palestinians. You can talk about how bad Israel is, but remember this. If it weren't for the US being a presence in the Mid-East, Israel would have ignited a war that would have burned the entire region until there was nothing left but glass on the ground. (For those of you who may not know, sand is made of silicon, which is melted down to form glass). I saw we let go of Israel's leash. Let them have at. And while we're at it, I say we let the neighbors try and attack Israel. Does anyone remember what happened the last time someone tried to launch a full assault on Israel? Yeah, that's right, the Russians got their asses handed to them.
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Oh, and finally, my way of thinking...
(Certain element of wishful thinking about the willingness of politicians to think things through and carefully plan decades-long initiatives... and tolerate huge piles of paperwork)
Iraq - Invasion bad because huge destabilsation of area and attendant bloody war not about to happen. Saddam was an evil monster, but we should of taken him out in the first Gulf war when we had a good reason to.
Afghanistan - If invasion and occupation puts end to decades long bloody civil war, it is a good thing. If the UN and America make every effort to rebuild the country and install democracy, then this was a good thing. The driving into hiding of Al-Quaeda was good also.
Chechnya - Massive UN force deployment good thing - may stop imminent bloody ethnic war killing thousands. Russian invasion very bad, almost certain to go massively wrong and end up with thousands of innocents dead and even more terrorists.
Israel/Palastine - If they can't be friends, we should at least stop them from tediously killing each other and shouting about it. By massive UN occupation again until they become bored of our preaching and agree to be sane.
Kosovo - Really good thing. Nipped that in the bud with correct application of force, despite tragedy of bombs hitting civilians occasionally. And us pretending we could hit tanks when hidded in forests.
Yugoslavia - Should have intervened with a massive UN force. A tragic war which is on our conscience. At least region is slowly approaching some stability now.
So there you go. I am willing for force to be used though, obviously, I'd really really hate to be in the army during any of these initiatives.
That's enough from me now. Yes.
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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Hullo GreyJedi!
By the way, end your reply by stating which is your fave episode of Firefly and why, just because I want to chat non-political with you too.
Some Palestinians want Israel for themselves, an increasing number are willing to take what they can get with the promise of peace and prosperity. But they also want access to the sea and an end to settlements in their territory, and the ability to move their own exports and imports without being blocked by the Israelis.
If you let go of the Israelis leash, they will buy even more territory to be suicide bombed in. They should go back to their original national boundaries, though not cut back on military spending.
It's almost embarrassing how the Arab states are completely useless at fighting conventional wars. It's almost as if they WANT to get their asses whipped by inferior numbers of better trained troops time and again. Can someone in their military please read Sun Tzu or something? They're like Wily E. Coyote for dreadful, useless persistence.
Trust me, get the settlers out, return Israel to natural borders and give the Palastinians a small passage to the sea (or better yet, don't give them one but broker a deal for free and fair export/import via Israel) and build up their economy, political structure and infrastructure so that they can be a decent nation not having to rely on the corruption of Arafat, and being free from the cycle of misery that breeds more terrorists. And install a tough multi-national force to keep the peace and take out terrorists. It would be a long and painful process, but it would work if we put hard work into it.
As for the Palastinians, if the positions were reversed I reckon that they would be acting even more harshly than the Israelis, but that does not excuse the Israelis. They should have learnt from the holocaust about succumbing to race hatred. Until they stop despising and fearing the Palastinians, and vice versa, nothing can be achieved.
And I belive that both sides can one day learn to forgive, if we intervene and force them to mend their ways. Otherwise there is no hope for humanity. (ARGH! That sounded so LIBERAL! ACK! ICK! SUSAN SARANDON IS LOOKING ALL DOVEY-EYED AT ME - QUICK POKE HER IN THE EYE!)
And I presume you mean the Arab states, not the Russians. Fair 'nough slip.
My fave episode is 'Out of Gas', due to it's perfect construction and the fact that the last scene made me cry. And Kaylee's less than innocent entrance *ahem* was a delight for those tired of Willow-pure Joss characters.
Cheers,
Pete
P.S: No, really, I am off now. No, really. Hungry.
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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Personally, I agree with Greyjedi. Cut the reins on Israel. Let them either win or lose. Enough's enough (though I have a pretty good idea of who would win). I'm sick of Israel being the excuse most used by the left and the Islamofascists.
If the Palestinians are so poor, why the hell doesn't Good ole "Peace Loving" Yasshat Arafat spend some of the Billions of Dollars he has in his Swiss bank accounts to bring some good life to his people? Because he's a greedy hatemongering F***nut.
PS.. the UN is an dysfunctional obsolete anti-semitic body. Why not just say..the US(along with a coalition of the willing) will be sending peacekeeping troops to wherever. The first sign of trouble and the UN drops its drawers and runs for the hills.
"Let Freedom Reign, death to Islamafascism"
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Hullo GreyJedi!
By the way, end your reply by stating which is your fave episode of Firefly and why, just because I want to chat non-political with you too.
Some Palestinians want Israel for themselves, an increasing number are willing to take what they can get with the promise of peace and prosperity. But they also want access to the sea and an end to settlements in their territory, and the ability to move their own exports and imports without being blocked by the Israelis.
If you let go of the Israelis leash, they will buy even more territory to be suicide bombed in. They should go back to their original national boundaries, though not cut back on military spending.
It's almost embarrassing how the Arab states are completely useless at fighting conventional wars. It's almost as if they WANT to get their asses whipped by inferior numbers of better trained troops time and again. Can someone in their military please read Sun Tzu or something? They're like Wily E. Coyote for dreadful, useless persistence.
Trust me, get the settlers out, return Israel to natural borders and give the Palastinians a small passage to the sea (or better yet, don't give them one but broker a deal for free and fair export/import via Israel) and build up their economy, political structure and infrastructure so that they can be a decent nation not having to rely on the corruption of Arafat, and being free from the cycle of misery that breeds more terrorists. And install a tough multi-national force to keep the peace and take out terrorists. It would be a long and painful process, but it would work if we put hard work into it.
As for the Palastinians, if the positions were reversed I reckon that they would be acting even more harshly than the Israelis, but that does not excuse the Israelis. They should have learnt from the holocaust about succumbing to race hatred. Until they stop despising and fearing the Palastinians, and vice versa, nothing can be achieved.
And I belive that both sides can one day learn to forgive, if we intervene and force them to mend their ways. Otherwise there is no hope for humanity. (ARGH! That sounded so LIBERAL! ACK! ICK! SUSAN SARANDON IS LOOKING ALL DOVEY-EYED AT ME - QUICK POKE HER IN THE EYE!)
And I presume you mean the Arab states, not the Russians. Fair 'nough slip.
My fave episode is 'Out of Gas', due to it's perfect construction and the fact that the last scene made me cry. And Kaylee's less than innocent entrance *ahem* was a delight for those tired of Willow-pure Joss characters.
Cheers,
Pete
P.S: No, really, I am off now. No, really. Hungry.
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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Quote:
Originally posted by Connorflynn:
I never suggested you were flung from the stupid treeJust that I wasn't foolish, because I chose to be Nationalistic and Patriotic.
You're entitled to your opinion hehe.
Pro-America, Pro-Democracy, Pro-Israeli, Pro-Freedom, Pro-Capitalism. Anti-Terrorist, Anti-Socialist, Anti-Dumbass
"Let Freedom Reign, death to Islamafascism"
Yeah, I was mainly joking
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I am always rather darkly amused that those who toss around the phrase "bleeding heart" are constantly calling for more blood.
Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction
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That's why we use it. Their heart bleeds at ever whining soul seeking comfort(read: money). And we want to rip their hearts straight from their ribcage and stuff their still twitching muscle down their throat drowning them in a fist full of heart-muscle before their brain has a chance to die from the massive trauma of the ripping of a ribcage open with one's bare hands and forcefully yanking their heart free from all those connections to the other massively vital organs in the area.
My favorite episode is Objects is Space, though not by a wide margin. I like War Stories, Jaynestown, and Our Mrs. Reynolds much very as well.
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Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:
Their heart bleeds at every whining soul seeking comfort(read: money). *snip surgical references*
Ah, I see.
Hrm... so what does that have to do with war? At all?
Radhil Trebors
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