Moscow's waking up..finally
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UPDATED: Thursday, August 29, 2024 15:07
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The fact is the actions of the current governemnt in Isreal has caused the growth of much hatred and anti-Americanism. Sharon was found to have acted in a terrible manner and was held directly responsible for the terrorist atrocity where maybe up to 3,000 innocent people were massacred in Sabra. We know how himself and his crew refered to them as 'two-legged animals'. The Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is one of the world's most bloodstained terrorists like the evil Binladen. He is responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of at least 1,500 men, women and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Chatila. Even a formal Israeli commission found Sharon personally responsible for the Lebanese massacres
Ariel Sharon is sought for trial by the Hague Tribunal, the same body that succeeded in extraditing former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for charges of crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Sharon will not travel to Belgium for fear of arrest by the International Court for the massacre.
After the Israeli military devastation and occupation, Sharon forcibly removed Palestinian resistance fighters from Lebanon. Many Palestinian women, children and old people were left behind in refugee camps near Beirut. The United States publicly guaranteed their safety and promised that they would quickly be reunited with their loved ones. When Sharon plotted their murder, he not only planned a bloody act of terrorism against the refugees; he knew it was an act of treachery against the United States that would raise intense hatred against America.
Wasn't Sharon, after all, the one that said that Isreal controlled the U.S. ?
Flynn maybe we are starting to see where your loyalties lie ?
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Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Funny Flynn, so you think everyone should be pro-Bush and pro-militants in Isreal. Yes those suicide bombers are scum, and what they do is horrible. However that radical leader Sharon is often just as disgusting, laying waste to villages, killing women and children.
Yeah..Sharon specifically targetted women and Children. It didn't have anything to do with the Lebanese and Palestinian Hamas members building bombs and rockets in the areas targeted. Nah.. he was just after the women and children. To say nothing of Palestinian Terrorists who walk onto a settlement and shoot a pregnant women who is home alone along with her 2 children. To me, no cause can justify those actions. The Israelis are in a corner. So be it. Let them loose to deal with the bastards around them.
I also never said everyone should be Pro-Bush. However in my opinion ALL AMERICANS should be PRO AMERICA. If they don't want to be, then grab the first plane to another
country and stay the away from me. Personally, again I say I don't give a flying hooey who is "Commander in Chief" as long as they have a one tracked mind when it comes to dealing with the treachery of Islamafascism and any other Terrorist activities that may directly affect the USA. Unfortunately, under the circumstances John Kerry has such a multiple personality/belief system that he is "Unfit for Command" (Pun intended)
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Conas tá tú inniu, an dtig linn níos mó Gaeilge scríofa a fheiceáil san fhóram seo ?
Nice how you failed to mention any of the loyalist and English terrorist killings UVF, LVF, UDA or RHD actions in the North. Wouldn't happen to know a few of those who waved the Union Jack when the Queen tossed her pennies to the masses ?
Is it that your transparency is begining to show
Nope..twist it as you like though hehe. However, I view those sorts of terrorism,which I despise completely and hope to see stamped out, as much more contained to a specific area. Islamafascism is world wide affecting almost every civilized country. They are the biggest threat to world peace and should be crushed. If they can't come to the diplomatic table with rational exchange and insist on continuing to resort to soft target attacks..I say slaughter them all.
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The fact is the actions of the current governemnt in Isreal has caused the growth of much hatred and anti-Americanism. Sharon was found to have acted in a terrible manner and was held directly responsible for the terrorist atrocity where maybe up to 3,000 innocent people were massacred in Sabra. We know how himself and his crew refered to them as 'two-legged animals'. The Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is one of the world's most bloodstained terrorists like the evil Binladen. He is responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of at least 1,500 men, women and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Chatila. Even a formal Israeli commission found Sharon personally responsible for the Lebanese massacres
Ariel Sharon is sought for trial by the Hague Tribunal, the same body that succeeded in extraditing former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for charges of crimes against humanity in Kosovo. Sharon will not travel to Belgium for fear of arrest by the International Court for the massacre.
After the Israeli military devastation and occupation, Sharon forcibly removed Palestinian resistance fighters from Lebanon. Many Palestinian women, children and old people were left behind in refugee camps near Beirut. The United States publicly guaranteed their safety and promised that they would quickly be reunited with their loved ones. When Sharon plotted their murder, he not only planned a bloody act of terrorism against the refugees; he knew it was an act of treachery against the United States that would raise intense hatred against America.
Wasn't Sharon, after all, the one that said that Isreal controlled the U.S. ?
Flynn maybe we are starting to see where your loyalties lie ?
I'm not sure where
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Originally posted by SignyM:
ConnerFlynn- Actually, I had a question that I didn't have time to type!
Was Saddam a terrorist? I'm not wondering if he SUPPORTED terrorists, my question is- was Saddam himself a terrorist? After all, he DID target civilians with plastic-chippers, ear-lops and chemical weapons. There is a reason why his regime was called a "reign of terror".
And if he is a terrorist, would that also include Pol Pot? Josef Stalin?
Yes to all of the above. As a matter of fact, if you look up Terrorism in the Encyclopedia Brittanica, Stalin was listed as a regime known for Terror.
"Paulie, get the ball cutters" - Tony Soprano
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Originally posted by SignyM:
ConnerFlynn- Actually, I had a question that I didn't have time to type!
Was Saddam a terrorist? I'm not wondering if he SUPPORTED terrorists, my question is- was Saddam himself a terrorist? After all, he DID target civilians with plastic-chippers, ear-lops and chemical weapons. There is a reason why his regime was called a "reign of terror".
And if he is a terrorist, would that also include Pol Pot? Josef Stalin?
Look out ConnerFlynn!! It's a trap!!!
You'll say "Sure, they were evil bastards and terrorists of the first stripe, and I hope they burn in Hell for eternity." Then SignyM will inform you that the USA supported all of them at one time, and hence we are terrorists too.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Look out ConnerFlynn!! It's a trap!!!
You'll say "Sure, they were evil bastards and terrorists of the first stripe, and I hope they burn in Hell for eternity." Then SignyM will inform you that the USA supported all of them at one time, and hence we are terrorists too.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
LOL, I already know America is the Great Satan. Nothing new there. I also realize that there are many on this board that will always have an irreversible and differing view on politics from me. I just come here (other then for Firefly news and what not) for my Political board fix hehe. I figure the worst that can happen is I get some interesting informational links.
Though I admit, sometimes they get my goat
, I just wish more folks would use fact based information rather then opinion based editorial propaganda as their basis for political debate.http://kozo.apparitiondesigns.com/
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Huh. You're smarter than I am, Geezer!
I'm not sure I could say that we "supported" Stalin although I know we were nominal allies in WWII. (Actually, I don't think the term "allies" applies... there is a different word that is used for temporary military cooperation but it escapes me right now.) I'm pretty sure that we didn't "support" Pol Pot either. I know we secretly bombed Cambodia during the Vietnam War.. if you have any information on us funding, supplying arms to, or providing intellgence for Pol Pot let me know!
We DID actively support Saddam through many years in his fight against Iran, but he's kind of the odd man out in my set of examples.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Huh. You're smarter than I am, Geezer!
I'm not sure I could say that we "supported" Stalin although I know we were nominal allies in WWII. (Actually, I don't think the term "allies" applies... there is a different word that is used for temporary military cooperation but it escapes me right now.) I'm pretty sure that we didn't "support" Pol Pot either. I know we secretly bombed Cambodia during the Vietnam War.. if you have any information on us funding, supplying arms to, or providing intellgence for Pol Pot let me know!
We DID actively support Saddam through many years in his fight against Iran, but he's kind of the odd man out in my set of examples.
The Carter Administration encouraged China to "Support" Pol Pot, because he was an enemy of Vietnam and Russia. Once again a huge mistake predicated on what the biggest fish to fry at the time was.
We also actively supported Saddam because everyone in the US administration were too busy with the Goram Cold War to get around to kicking Irans ass, and figured Saddam was the lesser of the 2 evils and they would kill each other or at the very least weaken each other enough to render themselves impotent. To say that was short sighted in the scheme of things in an understatement. We are attempting to rectify that at the moment. I fully expect us to be embroiled in a full scale war with Iran within 6 months, because I don't see Israel allowing Iran to gain a completed Nuke.
"Wheres this aimed? Iran? ya don't say. How do ya turn the key again? Oops!!!!", Crazy Redneck at Nuke missile silo.
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Yes but "encouraging" another country - especially a country that we barely had relations with and one that has almost no goals in common with ours- to "support" a regime is not in the same league as supplying or selling arms, training military and security staff, providing intelligence, and running interference for in the UN.
I'm just trying to get a bead on where the definition of terrorism breaks down.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yes but "encouraging" another country - especially a country that we barely had relations with and one that has almost no goals in common with ours- to "support" a regime is not in the same league as supplying or selling arms, training military and security staff, providing intelligence, and running interference for in the UN.
I'm just trying to get a bead on where the definition of terrorism breaks down.
Actually as much as I hate to admit it, I do believe we did run interference for Pol Pot in the UN for awhile.
I'm not sure what you are looking for in terms of where the definition of terrorism breaks down? Do you mean, when it stops being terrorism and becomes nation defense or insurgency?
In my view and everything I have read about terrorism, is that terrorism is the act of aggression against soft targets (civilians and other non militia) , with the specific intent to instill terror. Iraqi insurgents when specifically targeting the military are not terrorists to me , though the Iranians and other foreigners who also have joined various factions throughout Iraq are indeed terrorists. They are the ones kidnapping and executing hostages(non-military soft targets), they are the ones initiating car bombs and attacks on specifically on civilians. Unfortunately the occasional civilian gets caught in the crossfire, when we strike back.
I definitely see a distinction. When Israelis specifically target Civilians (non militants/combatants..a fine line in some cases) then those are indeed acts of terrorism and are reprehensible. I have yet to see a true non combat , non militant soft target attack from Israel. I have seen multiple attacks from Palestinian/Lebanese/Syrian miltants on Soft unarmed targets.
"Paulie, get the ball cutters" - Tony Soprano
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Yes, and also where culpability ends for "encouraging" and "funding" terrorism. Obviously, if I'm giving money to ObL, or supplying arms, or providing secret information then I could obviously be accused of supporting terrorism.
What about if I sell arms to ObL? For instance, the Swedes have a number of small-arms manufacturers (or so Ive been told) and make quite a bit of money that way. If they sell arms to ObL are they supporing terrorism or just being good businessmen? What abut if they sell explosives? Bandages? Food?
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