"NOW Do You Believe in Global Warming?"

Sig: I have no influence with Occupy, I'm only with OccupyMarin. Most Occupy groups are regional and deal with regional issues now, I think it's mostly OWS that's dealing with national issues. But in California, we recognize the problem and are doing a LOT about sustainable energy sources. But we stand pretty much alone compared to the rest of the country, and the millions of Raptors out there for whom it's a matter of "pry the oil and gas from my cold, dead hands". OUR legislators have kept drilling off our coast, put in place fuel ameliorations which increase our cost at the pump, and are working hard on wind, solar, etc., and here in Marin there's an organization you can get your energy from which is produced entirely "greenly". We would be part of it, but can't afford it until they bring the cost down. Solar is everywhere around here; even the sanitary district's reclamation machines out at the Las Gallinas Wildlife Ponds where I sulky with my dogs is run by SOLAR only. Our sanitation district does curbside pickup of all recyclables, and now compostables as well, but people have to CHOOSE to divide things up into those bins.

It IS people, the millions like Raptor as well as the other millions who, whatever they believe, are too lazy to separate their trash or do anything else to lessen their footprint. Yes, everything you said, but if enough PEOPLE stood up, the government would follow. Until then, governments won't listen, and energy companies are preparing, but won't put much money into it until/unless it becomes a real issue--until then, they've got TONS to spend and spend it on advertising how wonderful "clean coal" (HOW I hate that!), natural gas, etc., are and how we need to lower the cost of gas, drill more, yada yada to keep from buying "foreign oil"--which DOES NOT EXIST. Remember folks, ALL oil is sold on the international market, so even what we produce here goes wherever whoever buys it is (sorry, lousey English).

Meanwhile, all we can do is vote in the right people, and we have and will. Boxer represents our environmental interests really well and will continue to; our Congresswoman is retiring and the new one will be just as good where the environment is concerned (Occupy's chosen candidate lost by a hair, but the other Dem is also an environmental guy, and he'll beat the pants off the Republican they put up, Republicans keep their affiliations mostly on the Q.T. here in Marin). They redistricted, so OUR Congressperson will represent the entire No. Ca. Coast, so I guarantee everything will be done right environmentally here, we'll protect that much. But how much can we do?? We're fighting a damned big machine, and I wouldn't know where to start.

Making our sanitary district entirely solar, by the way, was paid for by the stimulus--that should piss the hell out of some here. Everywhere WE look, the stimulus is at work on our infrastructure...too bad there wasn't more of it and it wasn't used wisely--like on INFRASTRUCTURE--which would have created jobs, and which ignoring it will cause it to be coming down on our heads any day now...hell, it already IS, bridges are falling down, schools don't have enough desks and some have horrible conditions, etc. We haven't done SHIT about infrastructure in ages...but I won't get started on THAT!

As to, by the way, progress requiring people, in the REST of the world both the people and the governments of many countries have recognized the danger and ARE doing something about it...it's mostly America whose government has its head in the sand and its pockets lined by Big Oil.

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And as for your question(s), why should I even bother, if you don't even have the time OR inclination to refute my 'wing-nut' views ?

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I don't have time to refute ALL of the wrong, far-right things you post. You post a lot of it. But I specifically replied to one instance of it when you asked. I'm an obliging guy.

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I say let the free market find what ever solutions, if any , are needed. You can't effectively mandate this sort of stuff, from the top down.

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Ah, the free market will sort out everything. Ok. Let's take another example of man's actions hurting the environment: overfishing. There's no way to mandate any kind of regulation to stop overfishing? Government should just throw its hands up and rely on the free market to sort it out? The result - disaster. And your 'solution' for climate change is just the same.

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Well then, if you've dismissed my point of view, out of hand, what ever facts, evidence etc... that I bring to the discussion

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Exactly what facts, or evidence was in your post? I listen to facts/evidence. I ignore partisan opinion-filled rants. Nevertheless I answered it because you asked.

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And then there's the claim that , no matter what we do , the amount of impact we can have on undoing what we (allegedly ) have done will amount to a fraction of a degree, in maybe 100 years. Sorry, but spending trillions of dollars for next to no real tangible affect

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You're just repeating the same point as before, while providing nothing new to back it up (not that you backed it up at all in the first place). I've already explained how this view makes no sense to me - read my last post if you've forgotten my answer. If your view makes no sense, and you can't substantiate it with facts or evidence, there's nothing more I can do.

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There's every bit as much compelling evidence that suggests c02 isn't the driver, but may be the RESULT of high temps.

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Err, the two aren't mutually exclusive. That's what's so scary: CO2 causes warming, and that warming releases more CO2 into the atmosphere - causing more warming... In other words, pretty standard physics suggests that human activity is pushing the earth's climate out of balance and into a vicious circle of runaway warming. This has been theorised for decades, and the theory hasn't changed, and the evidence increasingly bears it out.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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How then did we have a Medieval warming period, which took place LONG before the industrial revolution ? If C02 is the CAUSE of global warming, that is, then please explain.

And if this vicious cycle , which has occurred before, leads to warmer and warmer temps, then why haven't we joined Venus in really cooking things up by now ?

And Niki, why do you assume I don't recycle ? Or never have ? Is it that you just assume, that since I'm a southern male conservative, that I automatically chuck all my plastics out the window as I drive down the road, AC blasting at full, pedal to the floor of my pick up, complete w/ gun rack and a rebel flag sticker on the window ?





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