Moscow's waking up..finally
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UPDATED: Thursday, August 29, 2024 15:07
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Originally posted by Fireflew:
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Why should anyone be pro-country x though? It's purely an accident of birth that you're born where you are born. Isn't it slightly foolish perhaps to take pride in such an arbitrary thing?
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Jayne: "Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in command."
Well, I could see how it "Might" be hard to understand my post, if you can't see the distinction between Islamofascism and Islam.
Maybe this will help -
Islamofascism is a vile and ignorant Islamic religious fascism coming out of the Middle East.
This violent utopian Islamic fascism is basically a modern, 20th century totalitarian movement, similar to violent utopian communism or to mid-20th century European fascism. It is opposed to democracy, human rights, free speech, freedom of religion and freedom of sexuality. It is at war with everyone who is not an Islamic fundamentalist fascist. It has killed vast numbers of Muslims (those of moderate or liberal Islamic beliefs, held by the majority also known as Peaceful Islam) as well as non-Muslims, throughout the world, Normally targeting Civilians and Civilian infrastructures specifically.
So to answer your original question..NO..I don't want to kill all Muslims, just those that are Islamafascists. I thought I made it clear with "All Rabid Raccoons" versus "All raccoons" in my second post LOL. Too cerebral maybe /shrugs.
As for being Pro-American, No I don't think it is foolish to be proud of the country you live and were born in. It's called "Nationalism" and "Patriotism". Nor does it specifically mean the above. Someone can be "Pro-American" without living or having ever been born there. I don't think luck had much to do with it. I figure I was pre-destined to be born in the USA and pride is never arbitrary hehe
Pro-America, Pro-Democracy, Pro-Israeli, Pro-Freedom, Pro-Capitalism. Anti-Terrorist, Anti-Socialist, Anti-Dumbass
"Let Freedom Reign, death to Islamofascism"
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Originally posted by Connorflynn:Quote:
Originally posted by Fireflew:
Sorry, OP = Original Post or in other cases, OP can also = Original Poster.
Why should anyone be pro-country x though? It's purely an accident of birth that you're born where you are born. Isn't it slightly foolish perhaps to take pride in such an arbitrary thing?
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Jayne: "Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in command."
Well, I could see how it "Might" be hard to understand my post, if you can't see the distinction between Islamofascism and Islam.
Maybe this will help -
Islamofascism is a vile and ignorant Islamic religious fascism coming out of the Middle East.
This violent utopian Islamic fascism is basically a modern, 20th century totalitarian movement, similar to violent utopian communism or to mid-20th century European fascism. It is opposed to democracy, human rights, free speech, freedom of religion and freedom of sexuality. It is at war with everyone who is not an Islamic fundamentalist fascist. It has killed vast numbers of Muslims (those of moderate or liberal Islamic beliefs, held by the majority also known as Peaceful Islam) as well as non-Muslims, throughout the world, Normally targeting Civilians and Civilian infrastructures specifically.
So to answer your original question..NO..I don't want to kill all Muslims, just those that are Islamafascists. I thought I made it clear with "All Rabid Raccoons" versus "All raccoons" in my second post LOL. Too cerebral maybe /shrugs.
As for being Pro-American, No I don't think it is foolish to be proud of the country you live and were born in. It's called "Nationalism" and "Patriotism". Nor does it specifically mean the above. Someone can be "Pro-American" without living or having ever been born there. I don't think luck had much to do with it. I figure I was pre-destined to be born in the USA and pride is never arbitrary hehe
Pro-America, Pro-Democracy, Pro-Israeli, Pro-Freedom, Pro-Capitalism. Anti-Terrorist, Anti-Socialist, Anti-Dumbass
"Let Freedom Reign, death to Islamofascism"
Well, as for the rabid raccoons bit, I guess I must not have read that part...
Ah well. I've tried to keep clear of that quagmirish area of politics concerning the situation over there.Yes, I do know what patriotism + nationalism are - I wasn't flung from the stupid tree
. As for the country business, I just guess that I don't think much of the idea really.___________________________________
Jayne: "Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in command."
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Originally posted by Fireflew:
Yes, I do know what patriotism + nationalism are - I wasn't flung from the stupid tree
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Jayne: "Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in command."
I never suggested you were flung from the stupid tree
Just that I wasn't foolish, because I chose to be Nationalistic and Patriotic.You're entitled to your opinion hehe.
Pro-America, Pro-Democracy, Pro-Israeli, Pro-Freedom, Pro-Capitalism. Anti-Terrorist, Anti-Socialist, Anti-Dumbass
"Let Freedom Reign, death to Islamafascism"
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I thought those terrorists who killed those poor wee kids in Russia were Chechen separists rather than "Islamafascists".
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Most Chechens are islamic.
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The only problem I have with your original post is that it seems to imply that Christian terrorists or Jewish terrorists are some how in a different class. Is it only Islamic facism that you find reprehensible?
How about, rather inventing new words, we just focusing on defending ourselves against our enemies and negotiating with those willing to do so in good faith? By promoting blanket policies that force a 'for us or against us' mentality, we're only pushing more people into the desperate, dark corners that breed terrorism in the first place.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
The only problem I have with your original post is that it seems to imply that Christian terrorists or Jewish terrorists are some how in a different class. Is it only Islamic facism that you find reprehensible?
How about, rather inventing new words, we just focusing on defending ourselves against our enemies and negotiating with those willing to do so in good faith? By promoting blanket policies that force a 'for us or against us' mentality, we're only pushing more people into the desperate, dark corners that breed terrorism in the first place.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
LOL OK.. I'll be sure to do that, Once I find a massive Christian or Jewish Terrorist movement like Islamofascism
I wish for
sake, people would stop minimizing what Terrorism is. The word became well known because of Islamofascist militancy. Not because of some crazed nutcase outside an abortion clinic, or because the Israelis chose to segregate themselves from Palestinian Militant Suicide factions (who seem to hide in civilian areas as much as possible..go figure) and strike out at them after attacks.Lets deal with Islamofascism first. It's the Primary security issue in the world today. We can deal with the rest as it arises.
PS..Islamofascism is not a new word. It's been around since the 70's. But hey..those in denial will always be in denial.
"Let Freedom Reign, death to Islamafascism"
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There is a massive difference between the Nazi's and Islamic Terrorists, in ideology, organisation, numbers, equipment, strategy, aims...
(Though they are both anti-semitic, natch)
We bombed Germany flat because it was the only way to dismantle an organised war machine capable of churning out thousands of tanks, aircraft, guns, etc bent on the domination of the world and willing to kill millions for a twisted ideal... Hundreds of thousands died in the fire bombings by British and American bombers, millions died as they fought off brutal Russian artilery fire and tanks - yet despite the fanaticism of some of the Nazi resistence Germany is now a peaceful country with an abhorance of war. Don't forget that Germany hates the idea of fighting - like Japan it does not trust itself with putting armed forces abroad. How did this come about? By having a framework planned for the nation that was (keep out the Commies plan aside) almost entirely selfless and willing to run to great expense and political trouble. Empathy and understanding remade Germany and Japan.
From day one virtually no empathy was employed in Iraq or Chechnya. The US force failed to shift into a peace and security keeping force on the fall of Baghdad, fatally disbanded the Iraqi army and acted with a heavy hand and over the top force in routing out suspected insurgents. In Chechnya the Russians essentially levelled entire towns and villages after their badly trained conscripts got massacred by the hundred in convoy ambushes. The wholesale death of civilians has led to such violent hatred in Chechnya of the Russians that it is a breeding ground for terrorism.
This is where the Islamic terrorists step in. They point at the faceless occupier to the man who has lost his daughter, the mother her son, and whip up hatred in their hearts until they can think of nothing but vengence. Those that blow up a Russian truck or an American humvee within Chechnya or Iraq are sometimes grief stricken victims of a stray round that killed their families, or a shell hit their neighbour's house. They don't really think of the spread of international Islam, or of politics, but of revenge. The highly trained, fanatical resistance to occupation comes first in cold blooded attacks by cruel hearts who have planned it for a long time. When the nervous occupiers fight back with excessive force they create the potential of recruits.
This is how terroism is created, coupled with a harsh, dictatorial vision bolted on to Islam in the 19th century by an extremist.
In the manifestation of the Beslan atrocity, it is taken a step further to the point of blind madness. Those who comitted and planned such an action should be hunted down and killed, but such an operation should not extend to the full deployment of military force against a population that has terrorists in their midst. Too many innocent people die, too many new terrorists are created. A wide range of international special forces united under one intelligence service might be the ideal - ready to move at a moments notice and terminate cells - with a concerted police work by all nations and severe political and economic pressure on states sympathetic to terrorists. To those states who have terrorists in their midst, aid should be given to them to train their own forces to get rid of them. If they refuse to rid themselves of the terrorists, then they should be isolated from the world diplomatically, politically, economically and by geography. (For those of you say, but what if they have oil? I say, but what of Saudi Arabia?)
But to kill all 'Islamfacists'? How can you point them out? How do you go about this? What use of force is required? Should Russia subjegate Chechnya again? What of the rest of the Caucuses? What time are we willing to invest after rooting out the terrorists to change their perception of the West and raise their standard of living so that hatred is no longer an escape from poverty?
Eh?
EH?
I recently saw Robert McNamara in 'Fog of War', a superb documentary. He explained why he did w
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I'm of the "Kill them all. God knows his own, let Him sort it out." Mentality. But only because I know it'll piss off some bleeding hearts.
And now, since I've sifted out the bleeding hearts, I can tell all you guys the way I really feel, since the Bleeders wouldn't want to listen to a conservative anyway. There is no distinction between any terrorists. In fact, we've been a little easier on the islamic terrorists than we have other non-religion based or other-religion based terrorists. See how we don't blow up mosques? That's going easy. If we actually adopted the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force, shock and awe, I think we'd be much closer to done. But we're better than that. We could level every Middle-Eastern country. We have that kind of firepower and payload. We don't because we're not evil bastards. There'd be a lot of innocent blood spilt, and that's not what we're about. I agree with Flynn. Kill all the islamic terrorists, no mercy, no remorse. However, I disagree with one thing.
I believe that someone can be willing to die for God and not be a terrorist. There are many documented martyrs in the Christian faith (I don't know about Jewish or Muslim martyrs of the same, pacifist ilk, as I am uneducated in that regard). You would be hard pressed to call men and women who die at the hands of ignorant oppressors quietly and peacably, all while not renouncing their God, terrorists. But then, I don't consider suicide-bombers to be martyrs, but instead nutjobs. Suicide doesn't get you to heaven. Ever. Even says that in the Koran(sp?).
Save the innocent, smite the wicked.
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For Christian terrorism here are some samples:
Omagh bombing
Warrington bombing
IRA campaing
Kneecappings and murders in Northern island
3000 dead total
Oklahoma bombing
Basque bombings
(I have an Irish friend whose brother left for England to join the Royal Irish regiment. When he returned home he went down to the pub on the second day. He was taken out the back and shot in the back of the head. No one in the community ever mentioned his name again. My friend now refuses to go back home)
For Jewish terrorism here are some samples:
Settler Baruch Goldstein's killing of 29 Palestinians in 1991
Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin
Kanaa massacre
Sabra and Shatila massacres (To be completely fair this was Lebonese Christian milita who murdered several hundred refugee civilians in Lebanon in 1982 while an army unit of Israelis observed and did nothing to intervene - nothing at all)
The economic destruction of Palestine turning it into an impoverished state with no degree of self-sufficiency. A clinic with 5 doctors and four beds and two ambulances in Salfit must serve a population of 60,000.
Killings of Palestinian police officers in retaliation for Palestinian police officers failing to stop bus bombings, presumably because Palestine is very short of police officers... for some reason. 12 in Nablus.
There you go. We need peacekeepers by the thousands in Israel and Palastine NOW.
Oh, and no more political posts from me now. I'm getting all depressed again. I'm off to watch Wash act all wacky again.
P.S: The list of Islamic terrorism is quite a bit longer though, just don't think that they have a monopoly on the art of killing. And yes I am hugely annoyed with the Israeli government, though for balance I hate Hamas as well.
"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
- Jonathan Nash
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