Is Bin Laden a tool for the US election?
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 19:27
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I just wanted to say thanks, I had second thoughts about posting that link... I thought I was going to be flamed, told off, etc
It is really nice to know that this medium of the internet really does connect like minded people...
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Hey Succatash,
I was wondering what you might make of this ?
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf
Could there be a much bigger story hiding here ?
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
Even Snopes.com has debunked this one. As well as people I know who saw the 757 hit the building.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Succatash:
A few months ago, I started a poll on my website about when Osama Bin Laden will be captured in relation to the US election.
Bush is running out of time, but low and behold:
U.S. Capture of bin Laden Close
What's your opinion on this matter? I'm guessing Bin Laden will be caught in mid-October. Hmmm.
I agree, but its an American tradition. Back during the Civil War Lincoln "arranged" to have Atlanta fall before the election to secure victory. Same thing with Roosevelt in WW2, first he arranged the liberation of France before the election, then he got Hitler to hold off on the Battle of the Bulge until after it was over.
Please. Its three years between Sept 11, 2001 and Nov 2, 2004. There's a good chance of catching Bin Ladden in that time and just as good a chance of catching him after.
This is just an excuse by the Bush haters to deny the President credit if he comes through before the election while also bashing him for failing to catch Bin Ladden in the years since 9/11.
My prediction is that it will work out just like Saddam. We will look and look and look and then, one morning we will wake up and there he will be and we can stop looking and laugh at how bad he looks.
Hmm... Maybe I should predict that Bin Ladden will not be found before the election because John Kerry would lose. Yeah. Kerry and wife have a huge multi-national corporation and billions of dollars at their disposal. THey also have the sympathy of the French govt. Maybe its just a bit to convienent that Bin Ladden has not been found. Then, if Kerry wins and Bin Ladden is suddenly "found" then Kerry is the great leader. Damn Kerry and the Democrats! I can't believe they'd keep Bin Ladden from justice just so they can play their political games.
Or...Nader, I bet he has Bin Ladden hidden in a safe house in McComb, Illinois...
H
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Hate to say it but Bush isn't really the problem...
Your countries foriegn policy from about Eisenhower on has been making enemies all over the place
Our policy has been the proliferation of liberty. It has succeeded on an unprecedented scale.
Eisenhower led the free world when half the world was under the thumb of Communism. Eastern Europe was behind an Iron curtain. China was building its worker paradise on the backs of its billion slaves.
We drew a line against Communist expansion and opposed it at every turn. In every land free people could count on American aid and the enslaved masses could secretly dream the American Dream. We freed China from the thrall of the Comintern and divided our enemies against themselves. One great enemy fell the other has changed its nature, reducing its threat and people by the hundreds of millions know liberty and freedom and the friendship of the United States.
In the days of the Cold War we made enemies of the Soviets and their allies. But afterwards the Poles, Czechs, Slavaks, Hungarians, Romanians, and Bulgarians came to know us as as friends and allies. As have the peoples of many former Soviet states. This was American policy, to seek new friends through liberty and oppose those who stand against it. In the nineties we faltered and failed to transfer our fight against the Communist threat to the terror threat our preoccupation with Communism masked. We have paid the price with blood and now carry on with a renewed purpose.
We chose the peoples of the Middle East not as enemies, but as future allies in a free and democratic region. This is American policy today.
Some nations, even former allies such as France, oppose our policy. Some seek a return to their own traditional policies of non-violent appeasment which seem so rational and civilized yet have proven to be far more destuctive then policies of premption and confrontation. Others are led by leaders who themselves saw great personal financial benefit from the existence of corrupt terror regimes such as Saddam Hussein.
Fear, greed, and outdated beliefs, these are the motivations of those who oppose the War on Terror. Those same beliefs drive many of those who are fighting this war. Three sides to the conflict, those who fight for and against the terrorists and those who oppose the fighting all together, all driven by the same motivation.
Why chose the American side? Because war is upon us. Russia and France have both learned that there is no sideline and the bodies of Russian children, the heads of French journalists, and the ruins of great buildings tell us which side is the right side.
H
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Hey Succatash,
I was wondering what you might make of this ?
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf
Could there be a much bigger story hiding here ?
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
Here's a link to photos of the airplane debris found inside the pentagon
http://rense.com/general32/phot.htm
I just think there are too many slick looking sites and videos spreading around baseless lies.
As far as Bin Laden is concerned I just hope they catch him soon, don't care specifically when, just soon. Someone with his financial resources and evil motives should not be allowed the time and freedom to plan an even more devestating attack.
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I would be very happy if somebody would debunk the small hole theory (I actually don't want to believe that there are elements in our own government in cahoots with the hijackers), but I can't say that those websites do the job.
First of all they spend a lot of time debunking obviously inaccurate text (badly translated from the french, maybe?).
Secondly, I've seen more wreckage from the Roswell crash site. A tire. And a sheet of metal with some rivets? So the plane was going so fast that it just evaporated on impact and yet punched through four rings of the Pentagon?
Surely, we can do better than that. These debunking websites offer sketchier evidence than a Michael Moore Documentary.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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I couldn't listen because I don't have the equipment, but I gather that the idea was that the Pentagon was actually hit by a missile?
I followed that up. Ran across an aeronuatical engineer's assessment of how that could be. Basically, he used the crash of El Al Flight 1862 into a large Dutch apartment building in 1992 as an example of what a similar crash site and debris looks like. The "hole" was indeed very small, and there was very little visible plane debris. The small hole was was attributed to the fact that the wings snap off at the building face.
However, the INTERESTING thing about this crash is that for years afterwards, the local residents complained of vague and untraceable health effects. Looking back, they found that over 38 hours of crash site videotape, most audiotape, and almost all photos had been destroyed by the Dutch government. Independent investigators checked the site for known contaminants and found a little radioactivity- ultimately traced to the construction detail of using spent uranium (for weight) in the aelerons counterweights- but not enough to cause serious health effects.
It wasn't until eight years later, when someone leaked an (apparently stolen) copy of the manifest that ppl figured out that the plane carried three of four ingrediants to make SARIN, that the flight was indeed bound for ISRAEL, and that the contents had been APPROVED BY THE USA COMMERCE DEPARTMENT.
YES INDEED, OUR FRIEND AND ALLY ISRAEL HAD BEEN MAKING CHEMICAL WEAPONS. So, there are actually THREE Middle East countries that had WMD, all beginning with the letter "I".
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Oh yeah- making the world safe for democracy... NOT!!!
Colombian soldiers assassinated three union leaders last month, an account that contrasts sharply with the army's earlier claim that the three men were Marxist rebels killed in a firefight.
The attorney general's human rights unit ordered arrest(s)... in Saravena, a town long besieged by leftist rebels. Since 2002, United States military trainers have been training Colombian soldiers in Saravena in counterguerrilla techniques
www.nytimes.com/2004/09/07/international/americas/07CND-COLO.html
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Did the people under Pinochet enjoy the " proliferation of liberty", or under Batista, or the Shah, or Somosa, or Diem, the list goes on
Since you all apparently saved us from the Russians, who now will save us from the Americans ?
While I oppose some of the tactics in this war, I agree with the reasons why many of these people oppose you, if your troops came into my country, I would also kill as many Americans as I could.
Time to step back, because your walking towards a mighty big cliff.
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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Thank you Signy for a sensible explanation. Why is it that these websites always have to take the long way home through sarcastic gulch and belittlement canyon? All they need is an explanation for the small hole and the lack of debris. And they always seem to have made their minds up way ahead of time. They seem designed merely as entertainment for the already convinced. Sheesh.
I really don't want to get into it with Hero, really (been there, done that), but how does he post as King of All Cynics one minute, telling us that even Honest Abe Lincoln manipulated the civil war for political gain, and the next minute get all misty-eyed over the Purest of Pure Motives he finds in our American Military? LOL ...Good times.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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