Bush by numbers: Four years of double standards
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 9, 2004 19:16
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Facts are not propaganda, but the use of the facts can be. Many of the numbers stated are not under the control of the Bush administration, and, in fact have nothing to do with the president. Presidents always get to much credit and too much of the blame. Bush and his administration have made some mistakes in the execution of their policy. Namely, listening to Chalabi (I think I spelled that right) in the first place. The Iraqi exile has only had his own interests in mind from the start and the current shunning of him by the Bush admin. is evidence that they have figured out Chalabi's motives. By the way, much of the bogus intel on WMD has come form Chalabi.
As far as John Kerry is concerned, He has not said he would do anything different now than what Bush is already doing. Granted, Bush should have done some of the things Kerry has suggested much sooner. Hindsight is always 20/20. It is disingenuous of Kerry to state what he would have done after the fact.
Back to the list of numerical facts, many of the statements are subtle hints at conspiracy theory and conspiracy theories are unreliable at best.
From the Department of Rendundancy Department.
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There are absolutes and your statement about "no absolutes" is contradictory.
CAPNRAHN,I agree that every informed American should vote, but if an individual is apathetic, then I don't wish them to make an uninformed choice.
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Severen :
The statement about absolutes is supposed to contradictory - I forget the term, but the best was to illustrate it is this old chestnut:
"If God is all-powerful, could he make a boulder he could not lift."
I use the 'Absoultes' tag line to illustrate that things are NOT black and white. You may have interperted it incorrectly. In addition, the debate of absolutes is a subjective one, due to no-one knowing everything there is to know. To do so is self serving and gets nowhere. I prefer to challeng myself and explore, instead of telling myself that I know everything and everything has a certain niche. Example: Even Albert Einstein stated that the speed of light may be a local spatial phenomena.
Whoops, I spun off track there fer a sec - back to the real point.
And apathy indicates an unwillingness to even haul their butt off the couch to run to the polls.
If you will note, I said
Quote:I NEVER advocated an uninformed choice. The "Whichever side of the Fences you fall on" comment should have made THAT clear. Please do not misinterpret my intent when my word choice was carefully crafted.
But I DO state this: Whatever your beliefs/politics etc. - PLEASE VOTE this year!!! Don't assume your 'voices' cannot be heard. The ubiquitous "They" (whichever side of the fences {yes, plural} you fall on) hope to profit by American Apathy.
It is the very apathy and unwillingness to do a bit of research and so forth that the 'ones craving power' are counting on. To put a paranoid spin on it.
"They" hope the public will be too caught up in the 'Circus Maximus' of Springer-like talk shows, WWE and reality tv to be interested in the real world.
We really are on the same frequency.
"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"
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Originally posted by Severen:
Back to the list of numerical facts, many of the statements are subtle hints at conspiracy theory and conspiracy theories are unreliable at best.
I think that you are reading too much into it. I also think that those subtle hints that you describe are put there by you while you read, as I read no such thing. Perhaps this is a hope that these facts are just propagand, perhaps its just your subtle way to try to discredit this article, who knows?
The problem with reading things of this sort is that no matter how hard you try you can't really get rid of those feelings (this is after all a charged subject). The challenge is to notice them and ignore them (ie your feelings don't change the facts). Otherwise everything should be ignored because the author has written with his/her own slant.
The job of the journalist is to write with as much objectivity as possible and our job is to compensate for any non-objectivity that is there. This article require little to no compenstation as it is well written ie numbers don't lie and anything else you put on top of them is your own doing and no-one else's.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Making the country safer
$3.29 Average amount allocated per person Nationwide in the first round of homeland security grants.
$94.40 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in American Samoa.
$36 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in Wyoming, Vice-President Cheney's home state.
$17 Amount allocated per person in New York state.
$5.87 Amount allocated per person in New York City.
$77.92 Amount allocated per person in New Haven, Connecticut, home of Yale University, Bush's alma mater.
So on the "Facts are just Facts" front, lets take just this little segment. Sure appears that Bush and Cheney are looking out after their own, while leaving poor NYC defenseless. Bastards. Hell, I bet Dubya's home state of Texas has $100.00 per person. Lets see. A little Google turns this up.
http://www.house.gov/maloney/issues/Homeland/StateAllocations.pdf
Lets look at the 2003 figures. Texas...$8.73? That can't be right! And check the totals per state rather than per capita. N.Y. = $330 million and Wyoming just $24 mil. Hmm. Any trends here?
Looks like large states with low populations (Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, North & South Dakota, etc) get lots per capita, but not a lot overall. Seems reasonable. Lots of ground, and ground transportation, to protect, but not too many folk = high per capita.
Pretty much the same for island territories with small populations (Guam, American Samoa, U.S. Virgin Isl., Northern Marianas) With their low populations, even a couple of million divided per capita looks like a lot.
Now about New York. Looks like they get about the same as any mid-size, mid-population state.
And the cities. Here's a breakdown.
http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Grants-ODP-04.pdf
Let's look at New Haven and the cities above and below it on the list.
San Jose: population 894943. Area 175 sq miles
New Haven: population 123626. Area 18.7 sq miles
Tampa: population 303449. Area 112 Sq miles
But...New Haven, and the surrounding New Haven county (pop 824008) aren't part of megalopoli like the San Jose/S.F./Oakland one, or the Tampa/St.Pete one. So since they can't share the load with other nearby municipalities, maybe they should get a bit more.
And NYC. 8 million people in 321 Sq miles. $46 mil allocated. Twice as much as for the entire 97,818 square miles of Wyoming.
And even after all this figuring, there is no evidence provided in Mr. Carter's list that either Cheney or Bush had anything to do with DHS allocations to Wyoming or New Haven. There's just the implication.
Sorry, guys. It's propaganda.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^ Yea, Geezer is that balless git who thinks it's OK if the President lies to start a war. I guess he represents all those pussies in the USA who are afraid of the White House.
No. I just recognize propaganda from either side. You make the classic mistake of assuming that just because I don't swallow your bullshit, I believe what's spewing out of the other side's rectum instead. So sad.
If you'd like to see if I'm actually lacking in balls, the address is 2004 Ferncliff Ct. Springfield, Va. 22153. Bring it, big talker.
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Oh, and just to keep this on a civilized level. Please provide cites for all the numbers quoted in your original post. Just want to be sure they're not lies. That would be a bad thing.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Nice pic you got there. Is that your "Head Boy" grad photo or just an award for best brownshirt tea bagger?
See how his sort label people then label the facts as "propoganda"?
To be propoganda it must be created by commitee. Hence - Micheal Moores docu/movie can't possibly be propoganda.
So why do the Bushites call Moores' work propoganda? Because like Geezr... they are LIARS!
But I guess Americans in general think lieing is OK! Woo Hoo! Let's go kill some towel heads! Let's torture them too! Let's ride thier mothers like donkeys!
Why?
Well, thier president lied to the world and illegally attacked Iraq, killing tens of thousands (we don't know how many because the White House ordered that no info leave Iraq uncensored).
The War on Terror... brought to you for the next three generations by the Bushites and our leader Dick Cheney who is now the richest man around thanks to all that Iraqi Oil he stole.
... *chuckle*... it's just so obvious. Why doesn't anyone say anything? Because the USA is lost? The fix is in? Will the Bushites just steal this election?
Is it already over?
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Making the country safer
$3.29 Average amount allocated per person Nationwide in the first round of homeland security grants.
$94.40 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in American Samoa.
$36 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in Wyoming, Vice-President Cheney's home state.
$17 Amount allocated per person in New York state.
$5.87 Amount allocated per person in New York City.
$77.92 Amount allocated per person in New Haven, Connecticut, home of Yale University, Bush's alma mater.
So on the "Facts are just Facts" front, lets take just this little segment. Sure appears that Bush and Cheney are looking out after their own, while leaving poor NYC defenseless. Bastards. Hell, I bet Dubya's home state of Texas has $100.00 per person. Lets see. A little Google turns this up.
http://www.house.gov/maloney/issues/Homeland/StateAllocations.pdf
Lets look at the 2003 figures. Texas...$8.73? That can't be right! And check the totals per state rather than per capita. N.Y. = $330 million and Wyoming just $24 mil. Hmm. Any trends here?
Looks like large states with low populations (Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, North & South Dakota, etc) get lots per capita, but not a lot overall. Seems reasonable. Lots of ground, and ground transportation, to protect, but not too many folk = high per capita.
Pretty much the same for island territories with small populations (Guam, American Samoa, U.S. Virgin Isl., Northern Marianas) With their low populations, even a couple of million divided per capita looks like a lot.
Now about New York. Looks like they get about the same as any mid-size, mid-population state.
And the cities. Here's a breakdown.
http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Grants-ODP-04.pdf
Let's look at New Haven and the cities above and below it on the list.
San Jose: population 894943. Area 175 sq miles
New Haven: population 123626. Area 18.7 sq miles
Tampa: population 303449. Area 112 Sq miles
But...New Haven, and the surrounding New Haven county (pop 824008) aren't part of megalopoli like the San Jose/S.F./Oakland one, or the Tampa/St.Pete one. So since they can't share the load with other nearby municipalities, maybe they should get a bit more.
And NYC. 8 million people in 321 Sq miles. $46 mil allocated. Twice as much as for the entire 97,818 square miles of Wyoming.
And even after all this figuring, there is no evidence provided in Mr. Carter's list that either Cheney or Bush had anything to do with DHS allocations to Wyoming or New Haven. There's just the implication.
Sorry, guys. It's propaganda.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
You realize there are numousous court cases brought forward BECAUSE of these low compensations from the US government? Right? You do know that victems of 9/11 are argueing this right?
You do realize you are telling victems of 9/11 they are lairs. You do know this right?
BTW Geezer... how much do you get paid to spew this garbage online? That is, how much do the Reps pay you for your propoganda?
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Originally posted by Geezer:
A little Google turns this up.
http://www.house.gov/maloney/issues/Homeland/StateAllocations.pdf
From the document linked above:
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Amounts do not represent what has been distributed, but what has been allocated. The state allocation amounts do not reflect what has been distributed to the states or territories, but what BHS or HHS has allocated to them. Some of the grant programs provide funding to states through reimbursement, such as ODP homeland security grant programs.
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So, these numbers don't include certain moneies given to the states. Governments sure like hidding things don't they
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
You realize there are numousous court cases brought forward BECAUSE of these low compensations from the US government? Right? You do know that victems of 9/11 are argueing this right?
You do realize you are telling victems of 9/11 they are lairs. You do know this right?
BTW Geezer... how much do you get paid to spew this garbage online? That is, how much do the Reps pay you for your propoganda?
Do you even read what you post? the figures both Mr. Carter and I quote above have nothing to do with the victims compensation for 9/11. They are the amounts allocated to various states and municipalities for homeland security. Looking at his figures, it appears the sources I quoted are the same ones he used.
And unlike Mr. Carter, who probably got paid for both his book and the extract that was printed in the Independent, I just do this as a public service.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
From the document linked above:
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Amounts do not represent what has been distributed, but what has been allocated. The state allocation amounts do not reflect what has been distributed to the states or territories, but what BHS or HHS has allocated to them. Some of the grant programs provide funding to states through reimbursement, such as ODP homeland security grant programs.
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So, these numbers don't include certain moneies given to the states. Governments sure like hidding things don't they
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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
The second document is the one that covers the ODP grants. Pretty well hidden? Don't think so.
It does appear that Mr. Carter got the per capita info for states from the first doc and the info relating to cities from the second(by dividing dollars allocated by estimated 2003 populations).
But why are you guys nitpicking? I thought facts were facts.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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