War on Men
POSTED BY: BYTEMITE
UPDATED: Sunday, May 3, 2026 22:40
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Nemesis = singular.
Nemeses = plural.
That is all.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
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My Uncle did it in a very neat fashion, actually, and from what I heard, cleanup was a breeze. He blew his brains out in the garage after covering everything with visqueen. Unfortunately, his third and final "attempt" in life didn't go as well as he'd hoped, and he "survived" on life-support in the hospital with half a brain left for over a day before he finally died.
Not to sound callous, but I'm sure that was nearly half a million dollars of taxpayer dollars wasted in a 48 hour period since it was evident he WANTED TO DIE right away and they made him suffer over 24 hours more in what was probably excruciating pain that hopefully you and I will never experience in our lifetimes.
I hope even 1% of that bill was spent on heavy pain killers so he didn't feel any physical pain above and beyond any "spiritual" pain and/or remorse for his actions that he was probably going through if those faculty of his mind even existed anymore.
He always told me that the gun he did it with belonged to me when I died. I never got it. My Aunt immediately gave it to the local cops who said they were going to "melt it down". Yeah, right.... Somebody has a free beautiful six, shooter that Clint Eastwood would love now.
The strangest thing about everything though was that a "tackle box" of his stuff seemingly appeared out of nowhere 3 weeks after he died. Supposedly the cops got his "memoirs" and didn't release them to my family until a year later. But even though it took me 3 whole weeks to step foot in that house again, I found it. Inside, was 3 notebooks of his musings, every single CD I burned for him with our favorite music on it, a German knife he got from the war, a hatchet, and over an once of really fucking good weed.
No note to me though....
He didn't need to give me one, I knew this was left for me and me alone....
I loved him like a brother.
I just hope that if there really is a heaven that suicide isn't against the books for those who have been wanting to do it for over 40 years.
It's been over 5 years without him now. Everyone has moved on. Life goes on. I just wish he was still here.
Anyway, that being said.... Anything you do Byte, will never have that impact on me personally.....
And, likely, even some of your most closest friends and family will get over it in a surprisingly short amount of time.
But there will be AT LEAST one person in your life who will be f-d up for life if you aren't there anymore by your own hand.
Sorry to sound like a Rethug by posting this, but I think it's perfect for the situation...
"Somewhere out there you have a brother, sister, friend, grandmother, niece or nephew just dyin' to be with you....
You know there's out there who unconditionally, religiously loves you so just hold on 'cause you know it's true...."
Really Byte,
Don't hang out in the RWED if things are that bad in your mind.
This is an EVIL place......
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But there will be AT LEAST one person in your life who will be f-d up for life if you aren't there anymore by your own hand.
Yup. I've known a few close friends who did themselves in. Some, I couldn't really call it unexpected, but Dan, my best friend on Earth, was out of the blue.
He went to the lake and shot himself in the head beside the water. That was seven years ago this July. I've not gotten over it.
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The phrase I think you're looking for is 'wage slave'.
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Anthony,
Most men in america work all day to pay the interest on debt that they can never repay. I'm not sure what else to call this condition. Ironic that the population most trapped in these circumstances are african americans. White americans are typically indentured for a number of years before they're able to pay off their student loans and mortage, though typically now more than the seven that their ancestors were obliged to serve.
Slavery never went away, it just evolved to be more discreet.
On suicide, i know why men are more successful at it, but I don't know if it should be said. I think that suicide is the result of a momentary lapse of reason, not a long term destination. It's like a short circuit. We built fault-tolerant systems for a while. You wouldn't want your computer to respond to a momentary loose connection by deleting all of your files. I don't know why we accept this for people.
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My own beliefs do not allow me to intervene in a suicide, provided it's an actual attempt and not just a cry for help that'll be heard no other way - if anything I am encouraged to assist such as is possible.
This is generally known amongst folk who know me, which means yeah verily I've seen my share, but beyond saying that I don't feel my discussin the concept would be helpful due to values dissonance.
I do feel the need to clarify one thing, about the image I posted - my dumb ass kinda forgot most people might not know where that's from.
That girl there - you know what she's defending with such courage ?
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Behind me, there is a garden, there are books and musical instruments.
The contents of my modest life...
Who are you to destroy that!?
A vegetable garden and a library.
It's all about what MATTERS to you.
-Frem
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Thanks Quicko.
Hi Kiki, I missed ya, glad you're back.
Jack, racial slurs don't become you.
I'm sorry about your best friend Quicko, I know I love mine and couldn't imagine losing them anytime soon. They say men don't love their best friends like women do, but I don't think that's true always.
Frem, how do you determine what's a cry for help and what's "genuine"? Is it really your place to determine that? I just want to understand how you justify this attitude.
I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.
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It sounds like everyone's lost someone except for me. I'm sorry you guys, Jack, Kwicko, Frem, you guys have been through a lot. I've never really had any justification for any of this aside from trying to find meaning.
Jack - believe me, I know. I've actually estimated how long it would take everyone I know to get over it, and I put it at about 6 months, probably shorter, in most cases I suspect it would be a few days to a week. I'm not really close to anyone, which makes it really convenient. And it's not exactly like any of them would be surprised.
Niki: I think you've done far more in your life than I ever will. But, I know how you feel, not wanting to stick around to old age.
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Thanx for your kind thoughts, Riona. I have no regrets and no, I really don't have anyone. Jim's kids...well, Lisa's never been a very warm person and we're not close, and Jeff lives up in Jackson Hole and will never willingly live anywhere else. I only have one person in the world I'm close to, and that's my ex-ranger friend, Paula, who lives on the Eastern Sierras. We write, but only see each other once or twice a year; it would sadden her, but she'll understand. Nobody else will miss me...well, Choey will, but she'll understand, too, if she's still in my life, which she might well not be if she finds a guy and moves out. We don't have that much in common.
And believe me, Jim isn't going anywhere any time soon, so I might not even be here on FFF when the time comes, who knows?
Byte, I KNOW I've been blessed, believe me! Living in Afghanistan and traveling the world, having the chance to work at Marine Mammal Center, Marin Wildlife and Marineworld, my time folkdancing and at the Ren Faire, moving to Marin and hiking The Mountain, even you guys sending me to the Gulf, which memories I treasure...I've had opportunities many haven't--I haven't MADE most of them, but I've been blessed with them. Like I said, I know how lucky I've been and I have no regrets.
As to why we're all here, etc., I can't speak for anyone else. But for me it's my "socialization", and I get a lot of pleasure out of communicating, learning from and getting to know people. I'm pretty reclusive at this time in my life, and making new friends is more work than I'm willing to do. So I come here every morning and enjoy the intellient discussions, and don't let myself stay beyond noon except on rare occasions, usually not even that long. I don't think we're all effed up, I think many of us enjoy each others' company and enjoy discussing things, and it's not necessary to be screwed up to do that. Look at the TONS of hours people spend on line playing video games, or on Facebook--which is another form of socialization in its way, tho' even more removed. It's kind of a sign of the times, we've become isolated from each other in the real world, partly due to cell phones, the internet, etc. I'd rather be here than playing some game, which has NO social intereaction at all!
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Frem, how do you determine what's a cry for help and what's "genuine"? Is it really your place to determine that? I just want to understand how you justify this attitude.
Ain't so much a matter of "place", so much as it is trying to recognize the difference.
Most cry-for-help stuff is pretty obvious - ya kinda have to actually put BULLETS in the damn gun if you wanna shoot yourself, ridiculously insufficient doseage, stuff like that...
I did once date a girl with really, REALLY serious problems in my misspent youth who asked me to protect her from herself and overrode my refusal by calling in a solid, which left me no choice - she *did* really mean it but it was a moodswing temporary thing cause all her family docs were sayin there was nothing wrong with her rather than call her family on the abuse that messed her up so her issues went untreated, and I do admit to a certain black humor amusement when she tried to shoot me first (to mitigate my interference) and then herself only to learn that I had filed the firing pin of her .32 auto a little shorter - eventually I did feel the debt was paid and walked out on her though cause that kind of messed up is sort of contagious after a fashion, what they call secondary trauma as watching someone struggle starts making those taking care of them messed up too.
I figure it ain't my place to judge, but when someone is up to something that OBVIOUSLY will not finish them off, and when this is pointed out don't seem to care - that's usually something more complicated than a straight-up suicide.
Not comfy discussin this, but you deserved an answer.
-Frem
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
It sounds like everyone's lost someone except for me. I'm sorry you guys, Jack, Kwicko, Frem, you guys have been through a lot.
When I think about all my friends who've died, it always brings Jim Carroll to mind...
"They were all my friends, and they died."
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
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