War on Men
POSTED BY: BYTEMITE
UPDATED: Sunday, May 3, 2026 22:40
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Perhaps next time don't knock me for saying the EXACT SAME THING YOU'RE SAYING. You thought women would have chosen a softer way to go out? Women only commit suicide by hanging 39% of the time compared to the guy's statistic of more than half the time? I'm having trouble figuring out 1) where our views differ, and 2) why you even want to keep this going.
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When you said "PRETTY corpse," I felt you were being dismissive of women who aren't
willing to blow their brains out, as if their claim to pain is phoney. That's when you pissed
me off!
Not dismissive. Ironic. There's a difference. It is a curious thing that some people who are self-destructive would care how they looked when dead, yet that appears to play at least some role, if only subconsciously. And it also seems that if that does play a role, then that might play into how successful they are - if they still care on some level how they look, then their actions might not be as self-destructive than those who don't care about that anymore.
I also note that I commented how I didn't understand why MRA considered successful suicide among men more important than attempted suicide among women, or not as much of a problem. Obviously, I think both are rather serious problems. Which I consider a separate issue from my own death, in that I deserve that.
Anyway, I'm done trying to defend myself to you. Think whatever you want.
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Jack, good luck on finding a job and paying the bills. I think that people have offered some pretty good advice - they don't want you to be reliable from self-assurance, they want you to be reliable because you're desperate and they think you're less likely to walk away if they're being unreasonable. I wouldn't know for sure, I've only ever had this one job. Tell us how it goes.
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Quote Anthony: "I've never thought of her as a brat. More like a raw nerve."
You know her better. I stand corrected.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You keep saying that. You've told me at least six times in the last week that you own a house.
Yeah, my bad... I don't do that shit in real life. I'm sure a lot of you here don't talk to people you interact with daily the same way you did in here. If not, there would be just as many reasons, albiet different ones, that you didn't have any friends in real life either. Except for my closest friends and family members that I feel comfortable talking with about such things, politics and religion don't come up.
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Then you have no worries at all, do you?Quote:
Immediately, no....Quote:
So do something part-time. Do SOMETHING! Get your foot in somewhere, THEN work your way in and up.
Make yourself fire-proof - make sure you know more than just your particular area.Quote:
I'm trying to find at least a part time job that won't bore me to death. I can't just "sit there" in my car for 10-12 hours a day waving people past a gate. At the very least, I have to be unloading trucks and stocking shelves and constantly be doing SOMETHING.
Any of these types of jobs would only be temporary though. From the horses' mouth, there are 140 employees at the local K-Mart. Only 20 of them are full time with real benefits, and one only opens up if somebody retires or dies. I don't have that long to wait to make it up the food chain at a retail store....Quote:
Well, YEAH.
Seriously, man - do you ever think about how you come across to other people? Would YOU hire someone who talks down to you? You have to come across as confident, but not cocky, self-assured, but not TOO self-assured, and knowledgable but still respectful and not arrogant.
Before you can convince anyone that they want to hire you, you need to make them LIKE you.
I can't convince you otherwise with anything I say here, but REALLY I'm not like this in real life. Sure, I'm a lone-wolf type, but when I do meet up with friends and family we have a good time. I've never turned somebody down when they needed help working on their own house or floating a loan to people in my circle of trust, and I've never been burnt when it comes to money because I know they're good for it.
I don't put on my applications that I own my house with cash money. There's two reasons for that. First, it's not good to let ANYONE know that you're in that great a position, otherwise they want something from you. Second, more than half of the people who put in applications lie about stuff. At the very worst, they think I'm lying my ass off about the entire situation and that I've just been jacking off in my parents basement since August and this is my cover. At the very best, they think that I was slinging drugs to high schoolers to have that much cash lying around.
What I DO say is that I've been working for myself since August and I go in depth of the skills I've acquired and the jobs I've accomplished. The fact that I was able to buy a house in this market would automatically lead anyone with half a brain to assume I must have had cash without a job to pay for the house, but I never put on an application that I have no mortgage.
That's really not the issue here though.... The issue is, I CAN'T GET AN INTERVIEW.
I'm MUCH better face to face with people than on paper. I turned down a part time job last week 3 blocks from my house, and the manager there said the entire time that she didn't feel that it was what I needed. She did, however, set up an interview for next week for me for survaliance within the company over the border where the minimum wage is higher and the job pays more anyhow. It's not full time, and there are limited benefits, but there is a MUCH greater potential to get a full time position in Loss Prevention.
We'll see how it goes.
As for adding to my skillsets, without trying to sound cocky, I ca
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Sad to say, likely so - LET them think they got you by the balls, that they got their hooks in deep, and you can damn near walk all over em, see, you're thinking about how-to-go-about-it all wrong.
On a quasi-related note, some months ago the the owner of the realty company actually looked over the original application-on-file from way back when... mind you, he hired me cause of proven ability and didn't pay no mind to it, one of those hired-right-now and fill in the app when you can since I am kind of a subcontractor in this anyhows...
And he about blew his cappucino out his nostrils.
Sex: Occasionally.
Race: Only for pinks.
Age: Not if I can help it.
The whole app is like that, I was WONDERING when they'd notice - the irony here is cause of the whole "pet ninja" thing he kinda half-suspects I must have sneakily swapped in the joke application after the fact, and imma let him believe it though it's just not true.
He sure as HELL ain't gonna admit he never even read it in the first place, is he ?
Haha!
BEST
APPLICATION
EVER!!!!!!
At this point, I'm pretty sure he would never admit to anybody that he never read it. Not only do you do great work, but you're a scary dude to anyone who might want to pick on somebody. Most Management positions are chosen because they know how to use the stick. In the end though, they usually just go for the wounded gazelle and rely on the aftermath to garner compliance within the ranks.
We know that you're not, "that dude" though.....
Give 'em hell Frem!
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*Oonjerah discovers to her distress that her written communication skills are
rather poor. Muddy rather than clear. She had strong feelings when she wrote,
and she foolishly thought others would know her feelings eventho she did not
mention them. She also asked rhetorical questions and failed to answer them.
Oonjerah was unintentionally ambiguous. She feels foolish.*
Byte, I apologize for my failure to speak clearly. I was Not agreeing with you.
Oonjerah writes a scene in a play; the characters are Bob, Tim and Oonj.
[Bob and Tim are sitting at the round card table that stradles their properties.
Oonj walks by on an errand; they invite her to come sit a while. She does. She
doesn't like Bob; but Tim is a good friend to her.]
Bob: Say, Oonj! Are yah keepin' outa trouble? Ha-ha-haw!
Oonj: No. Are you making fun of me?
Bob: No!
[Inconsequential babble. Then -]
Bob: We had a suicide come into the morgue last night!
Tim: Really? Young or old?
Bob: She was 40. Got herself smashed and took a shitload of sleeping pills!
Tim [sadly]: That's a shame!
Bob: She sure was a looker! . . . She didn't use a gun. -- I guess she just
wanted to leave a pretty corpse. Ha-ha-haw!
[Within 3 seconds, there is steam coming from Oonj's ears; she's frothing at the
mouth. Adrenalin pumps thru her as she clenches her fists; she imagines that she
can deck Bob and kick the shit out of him.]
Oonj [in a low, angry voice]: Bob, I've heard you say some really mean things before,
but that just now is the worst! [She decides against violence, because she has no
skill at it. She stands up to leave.] I hope I never see you again!
[Oonj walks away, furious.]
Bob in the background: What'd I say!
Tim: You said you suck!
Why does that remark enrage Oonj?
Because it says that the dead woman was shallow and frivolous. It invalidates her
pain and hopelessness. It makes fun of her.
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Quote:Men typically use guns, which are not only more effective murder weapons, they are more effective suicide weapons as well.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Anthony: Apparently women actually attempt suicide more than men do, but also fail more often. Men tend to be more successful than women at suicide, so more of them die.
Live by the sword and so on ...
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I'm MUCH better face to face with people than on paper. I turned down a part time job last week 3 blocks from my house, and the manager there said the entire time that she didn't feel that it was what I needed. She did, however, set up an interview for next week for me for survaliance within the company over the border where the minimum wage is higher and the job pays more anyhow. It's not full time, and there are limited benefits, but there is a MUCH greater potential to get a full time position in Loss Prevention.
Okay, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but this is the new normal. Virtually NOBODY is going to hire someone right off the street, give them a full-time position and benefits, without making them jump through hoops first. That's why temp jobs and agencies are booming - THEY are responsible for you, not the place you actually show up to do the work. If they don't like you at that place, they just tell the agency to send more bodies, etc.
It sucks, but when times are tough, it's an employer's market. You have to get in there first and show them what you can do, and make them realize that they NEED to keep you around. And you need to make sure that they know you're entertaining other offers, so you've got a little bit of hand, at least.
My boss knows she's lucky, and we've had it out a few times to remind her. Last time, all I had to say was, "Go back to your office and sit down and think about how many people you're going to have to hire to replace me, and then we'll talk."
Got a nice bonus, raise, and vacation out of that conversation, and she also stepped right the hell out of my business and let me run my warehouse my way, which was what the fight was about in the first place.
If you have one or two solid offers in your pocket, and you're sick enough of the treatment to not mind leaving, then freedom of speech can be a cathartic experience. When I *don't* have all of those things, I bite my tongue and bide my time.
Right now, any job is better than no job. I've washed dishes for a living, and could do it again if that's all there was.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Jack, good luck on finding a job and paying the bills. I think that people have offered some pretty good advice - they don't want you to be reliable from self-assurance, they want you to be reliable because you're desperate and they think you're less likely to walk away if they're being unreasonable. I wouldn't know for sure, I've only ever had this one job. Tell us how it goes.
Thanks Byte,
I think you and the rest are right. Unless you're fighting for top-tier College Level jobs, then being your "best" is not a desired trait.
I guess Tracy Ullman was right....
I LOVE YOUTUBE!!!!!!
I haven't seen this since I was about 8 years old, but there it is.....
"I'm Leonard the Duck... Quack Quack!"
Give it a view Byte, even given it's age, it's really funny and a good glimpse into how somebody who can't find a decent job views things 20-25 years after it was recorded.
I've already contemplated lying on applications about going to college and then telling them while I was there that I didn't and I only did that to get my foot in the door. I figure, since I can't get an interview otherwise, I might at least try it.
I guess now I'll put "pretend you've got a 2 digit IQ and I'd be living in the gutter without the job" on my to-do list from here on out.
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Quote:Women tend to not to want to leave a mess, out of habitual consideration for others.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Could be, not sure. Would probably explain it, and also explain WHY women tend to be less successful - if they want to be a PRETTY corpse, they don't seem to grasp the concept of this whole self-loathing want to die thing.
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