War on Men

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STORYMARK

Friday, May 18, 2012 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Anthony: Apparently women actually attempt suicide more than men do, but also fail more often. Men tend to be more successful than women at suicide, so more of them die.

Isn't that partially due to tendancies toward methods? Ive read that women generally try for methods which have less noticible physical imapct - pills, cutting, etc - which also have the "benefit" of being less reliable. Whereas a man is more likely to just shoot himself, or something else more likely to work, but leave more of a mess.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 18, 2012 5:01 PM

Could be, not sure. Would probably explain it, and also explain WHY women tend to be less successful - if they want to be a PRETTY corpse, they don't seem to grasp the concept of this whole self-loathing want to die thing.

MINCINGBEAST

Friday, May 18, 2012 5:24 PM

There is no war on the men. Some of the more feeble members of the Patriarchy have merely adopted the rhetoric of feminists. This indicates how potent they believe the rhetoric to be.

OONJERAH

Friday, May 18, 2012 7:16 PM

Quote Bytemite: "WHY women tend to be less successful - if they want to be a
PRETTY corpse, they don't seem to grasp the concept of this whole self-loathing
want to die thing."

You sure like to keep it simple . . . not accurate, but simple.

1. When a woman ODs, I doubt that "pretty corpse" ever crosses her mind.
2. Self-loathing is not always the primary motivation for suicide.

I remind myself that you are young and have only been thru 3 of the major
passages: birth, adolescence and adulthood. There's more to come.

You speak of freedom from roles, a key issue. So don't be so ready to pidgeon-
hole others, including the women.

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

KWICKO

Friday, May 18, 2012 7:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MINCINGBEAST:
There is no war on the men. Some of the more feeble members of the Patriarchy have merely adopted the rhetoric of feminists. This indicates how potent they believe the rhetoric to be.

The Beast speaks the truth of it.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, May 18, 2012 7:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Anthony: Apparently women actually attempt suicide more than men do, but also fail more often. Men tend to be more successful than women at suicide, so more of them die.

I certainly hope that men's rights activists have a higher successful suicide rate.

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 18, 2012 11:22 PM

Oonj, I don't know your history or your backstory, you might have experienced it a different way and that's fine, but don't tell me how to be depressed and suicidal. I damn well know it's not about pretty corpses.

That said, we can't dismiss the possibility there's a subconscious influence of the media on women about how they should ALWAYS look attractive with all their fad diets and make up and fashion. Perhaps, even, in death.

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I remind myself that you are young and have only been thru 3 of the major
passages: birth, adolescence and adulthood. There's more to come.

If I'm LUCKY, then no, there won't be. Save your wisdom for someone who matters and has a future.

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So don't be so ready to pidgeon-hole others, including the women.

I have no idea what this means, and I suspect I don't want to know. However, what I do pick up on is that you're accusing me of hypocrisy. If your aim was to make me very angry, congratulations. Wildly successful endeavor.

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 18, 2012 11:23 PM

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I certainly hope that men's rights activists have a higher successful suicide rate.

No. Let's not be wishing suicide on groups of people.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:04 AM

There definatiley are a lot of "curves" to consider BYTE,

Today as children of all races (before we're 18), we're all considered not only 100% equal, but 1000% more important than any other demographic out there. And, at that age, why shouldn't we be???? We're the ones that get our parents to spend tens of thousands of dollars on shit they'd never buy for themselves over the years, and even though many college graduates today are lucky to be working at JC Penny folding clothes, we're the future leaders, right?

At 18 though, something dramatically shifts in todays workforce environment.

It's definately not one-sided, mind you, so don't think this is an attack on women or minorities.

After 18, we all leave the "no child left behind" bubble of security. Even if we have parents with good jobs, their health insurance no longer covers us unless we seek expensive education that lately isn't giving hardly anyone a good Return on Investment when they graduate.

But for those of us who don't have a "leg up" from a family member or friend who can get us in the door today, your average White Male without a degree will not be able to find a job that isn't part time without benefits. I say this from experience. Just over 2 years ago, I was making 55k a year after two promotions and nearly 5% "merit" raises every year from my bosses. Today, I can't even get a call back from Aldi about a part time cashier position.

There are two reasons for this, which from the business standpoint of the ones running the shows at the companies I completely understand.

1) On average, a female and/or minority still makes less money than a white male in the same job.

2) There are legal and standard tax credits today given to corporations who hire women and minorities over whites and males, and especially in the lower tier jobs, the tax benifits COMPLETELY outweigh the negative aftermaths of hiring people who are sub par for the job based solely off of demographics.

I rarely hear any bitching from minorities about this, but I constantly hear bitching from Women about it.

Bottom line, I'll grant you that you still get paid less when you work the same job your husband would work....

At the same time, if you were to both be unfortunately laid off from your job on the same day, you'd find a job making enough money to satisfy your efforts 3 times as fast as he would, and that's only assuming you're in your 20's-40's.... the gap becomes exponential when a man reaches 50 and is laid off.

All I need is 9 bucks an hour full time, and hopefully some catastrophic health insurance, and I'm good to go.

I just can't find it.....

Every application I fill out asks questions about whether I'm a male or female, what my age is, if I'm Caucasian or Mexican or Black.....

Sure, they tell me it's only for record keeping purposes, and that they're only doing it because Federal laws require them to, but if I said "prefer not to answer" to any of those questions my application gets thrown in the trash bin even faster than it already is.

I took the high road here, and didn't even go into child custody and child support. Don't even get me started on that.

KWICKO

Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There definatiley are a lot of "curves" to consider BYTE,

Today as children of all races (before we're 18), we're all considered not only 100% equal, but 1000% more important than any other demographic out there. And, at that age, why shouldn't we be???? We're the ones that get our parents to spend tens of thousands of dollars on shit they'd never buy for themselves over the years, and even though many college graduates today are lucky to be working at JC Penny folding clothes, we're the future leaders, right?

At 18 though, something dramatically shifts in todays workforce environment.

It's definately not one-sided, mind you, so don't think this is an attack on women or minorities.

After 18, we all leave the "no child left behind" bubble of security. Even if we have parents with good jobs, their health insurance no longer covers us unless we seek expensive education that lately isn't giving hardly anyone a good Return on Investment when they graduate.

Wrong. You can now be carried on your parents' insurance until age 26. Thank President Obama for that. (Or blame him for it, which is more likely what you'll do...)

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But for those of us who don't have a "leg up" from a family member or friend who can get us in the door today, your average White Male without a degree will not be able to find a job that isn't part time without benefits. I say this from experience. Just over 2 years ago, I was making 55k a year after two promotions and nearly 5% "merit" raises every year from my bosses. Today, I can't even get a call back from Aldi about a part time cashier position.

Have you considered that maybe that's a YOU thing? Not to be an ass about it, but I don't have a degree, and I've never been out of a job unless I wanted to be. Full-time, with bennies for the last 30 years. And insurance, including dental and eye coverage. And this isn't white-collar work - this is warehouse work, packing/shipping/receiving, running printing presses. Everything I made, I fought for and earned. Yeah, I used to make more, but I sure as hell wasn't happier.

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There are two reasons for this, which from the business standpoint of the ones running the shows at the companies I completely understand.

1) On average, a female and/or minority still makes less money than a white male in the same job.

2) There are legal and standard tax credits today given to corporations who hire women and minorities over whites and males, and especially in the lower tier jobs, the tax benifits COMPLETELY outweigh the negative aftermaths of hiring people who are sub par for the job based solely off of demographics.

I rarely hear any bitching from minorities about this, but I constantly hear bitching from Women about it.

Bottom line, I'll grant you that you still get paid less when you work the same job your husband would work....

At the same time, if you were to both be unfortunately laid off from your job on the same day, you'd find a job making enough money to satisfy your efforts 3 times as fast as he would, and that's only assuming you're in your 20's-40's.... the gap becomes exponential when a man reaches 50 and is laid off.

I have a wife who'd like to personally tell you you're full of shit on this one. She does THE EXACT SAME JOB AS ME - literally - she took my place at one of the places I used to work! - and she was not only paid less (of course), but when that place closed down, she was unable to find work for more than a year, while I went out and got TWO other jobs in that time.

Quote:

All I need is 9 bucks an hour full time, and hopefully some catastrophic health insurance, and I'm good to go.

I just can't find it.....

Every application I fill out asks questions about whether I'm a male or female, what my age is, if I'm Caucasian or Mexican or Black.....

Sure, they tell me it's only for record keeping purposes, and that they're only doing it because Federal laws require them to, but if I said "prefer not

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