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It's called "torture" Mr. Bush
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 15:55
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Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:42 PM
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Originally posted by Doran:
Our enemies are using this incident to it's full advantage... to fan hatrd both here and in the middle east. It doesn't matter if Bush had taken personal responsiblity and offered to compensate these "victims"; Bush could have lay protrate at their feet and apologized and it would do no good.
Yes it would, but both he and you have little humanity.
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They hate, they hate, they hate.. just like the liberals.
And just like you.
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And they do look at the USA as their "great satan" which has nothing to do with president Bush.. That's just they way they have been raised... they were raised like KKK children.. kids being taught "who do we hate?" "we hate the USA!" Long before George Bush was a public figure the USA was hated by Muslims..
And here you just prove yourself to be a stupid redneck, of the kind who'd just torture people because "hey, i'm righteous!"
There are some people who hate the USA because it has always interefered in their region of the world. And some of the are muslims. But all Muslims do not hate the USA - that's just loony talk.
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Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:47 PM
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Originally posted by Hero:
It is important to note the following. We are the good guys. Hence the rule of law and transparency of process will govern all aspects of this investigation.
Bad guys don't play by these rules.
Sure they do. They exactly the same. They say "We are the good guys - so rules do not apply to us. (Even if signed any)"
Hypocrite.
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Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:07 PM
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Originally posted by LexiBlock:Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
It is important to note the following. We are the good guys. Hence the rule of law and transparency of process will govern all aspects of this investigation.
Bad guys don't play by these rules.
Sure they do. They exactly the same. They say "We are the good guys - so rules do not apply to us. (Even if signed any)"
Hypocrite.
You need to reread my post. I said we are the good guys so the rules DO apply. The bad guys may claim 'good guy' status, but they still don't play by the rules.
Let me put it another way. If a terrorist chops a guy's head off they face no sanction from within the terrorist's governing body. If an American soldier were to chop off somebody's head in a similar fashion (ie for the cameras and to make a terroristic message) then that soldier will be prosecuted and punished. The rule of law and application of justice is among that which seperates us from them.
I know many people see the US as the bad guys in all this, that's what happens when you let you politics get in the way of common sense. The US has been the most positive force for political and social change in the history of civilization. But you hate Bush so who cares about history and civilization.
We can always play by your rules and eliminate America from its place in the modern world...give me your name and address and one of the hit squads will come by and explain to you and your family and your neighbors the value of American civilization.
Or we can play by my rules and embrace America...in which case I invite you to respond to this message and enjoy this political dialogue for all its worth and without fear.
H
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Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:56 PM
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Originally posted by Hero:
I said we are the good guys so the rules DO apply. The bad guys may claim 'good guy' status, but they still don't play by the rules.
Just to enter here. The US may say it plays by the rules but it only does so if it suits itself. Two examples from just a little while back:
1) US tarrifs Canadian Softwood which is against our free trade agreement (ie illegal) which resulted in 10's of thousands of layoffs in BC and hurting US businesses because of the higher price of US Softwood.
2) US bans Canadian beef, they say because of BSE, but really for all the wrong reasons. About a week later the US finds a BSE infected cow in it's own hurd, then another...
I am unsure as to the exact status of these issues as I've been living in a world of Math for the past while. But, it does seem that these are both still a point of contention as the issues are still there and the "victories" mixed among the two. Final decisions *should* be coming up "soon".
As a side note that is quite descriptive of current (and the years past) mentality of the US. The US is the perfect example of an id. This quote is from http://allpsych.com/psychology101/ego.html:
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The id doesn't care about reality, about the needs of anyone else, only its own satisfaction. If you think about it, babies are not real considerate of their parents' wishes. They have no care for time, whether their parents are sleeping, relaxing, eating dinner, or bathing. When the id wants something, nothing else is important.
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Monday, August 30, 2004 2:57 PM
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
1) US tarrifs Canadian Softwood which is against our free trade agreement (ie illegal) which resulted in 10's of thousands of layoffs in BC and hurting US businesses because of the higher price of US Softwood.
Without comment on the merits of the case, the US position is this: Canada is unfairly subsidizing the logging industry by allowing extensive logging operations on Govt controlled land. This allows the Canada to export its wood at prices signifigantly lower then world market value. A NAFTA panel reviewed the allegations and seem to have found them valid, however the caluclations used to determine the unfair benefit (and thus the amount of the duty) was not done correctly. The US has since revised its Duty on Candian wood, reducing it by almost half. Final dispostion will come next year.
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2) US bans Canadian beef, they say because of BSE, but really for all the wrong reasons. About a week later the US finds a BSE infected cow in it's own hurd, then another...
Turns out the infection is traced to cows imported from Canada just before the ban went into place. So far the incident remains isolated but many countries have banned or limited US beef imports as a precaution. The result is lots of low priced, high quality beef in American stores, so I'm not complaining.
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The id doesn't care about reality, about the needs of anyone else, only its own satisfaction....When the id wants something, nothing else is important.
The Id wants oil. Good thing for the world that the W is in charge. Otherwise we could simply annex what we want and exterminate those who live there, except those we keep as slaves. I always thought the liberal 'feel gooders' were the ones ruled by Id. Id-iotic ideas like stopping global warming by shutting down industry, throwing fake blood on fur wearers, having extra-marital sex in the oval office, etc.
H
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Monday, August 30, 2004 6:46 PM
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Originally posted by Hero:
Without comment on the merits of the case, the US position is this: Canada is unfairly subsidizing the logging industry by allowing extensive logging operations on Govt controlled land. This allows the Canada to export its wood at prices signifigantly lower then world market value. A NAFTA panel reviewed the allegations and seem to have found them valid, however the caluclations used to determine the unfair benefit (and thus the amount of the duty) was not done correctly. The US has since revised its Duty on Candian wood, reducing it by almost half. Final dispostion will come next year.
These things are still a point of contention so saying what is and what isn't is quite pre-mature.
And I find it funny that you didn't comment on the fact that this move has hurt US business... interesting. Not to mention that fact that the smart proper move is to submit the complaint to the proper authority *before* doing anything. But then again, if the Id wants...
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Originally posted by Hero:
Turns out the infection is traced to cows imported from Canada just before the ban went into place. So far the incident remains isolated but many countries have banned or limited US beef imports as a precaution. The result is lots of low priced, high quality beef in American stores, so I'm not complaining.
All of them? I find that pretty hard to believe. This was clearly a baseless knee-jerk reaction.
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Originally posted by Hero:
The Id wants oil. Good thing for the world that the W is in charge. Otherwise we could simply annex what we want and exterminate those who live there, except those we keep as slaves.
What do you mean? Like Iraq? Then this *is* happening. Id wants...
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Originally posted by Hero:
I always thought the liberal 'feel gooders' were the ones ruled by Id. Id-iotic ideas like stopping global warming by shutting down industry, throwing fake blood on fur wearers, having extra-marital sex in the oval office, etc.
Thank you for saying these things as you just made yourself look like a half-wit. You cannot judge an entire movment by the actions of a few.
People don't want to shut down industry to stop global warming. They want industry to be *responsible* with regards to the bioshpere of this planet. But the implication that can be made from your statment just above is that this shouldn't be done, fuck the future generations and this planet because we won't be here then, right?
Throwing blood or fake blood on fur wearers hasn't been in vogue for some time and I haven't been aware of an incedent of this type for years. This type of behavour is also something that no organization worth it's salt in the fight against animal cruelty would support nor have I hear of one doing so. These people are just extremists
And you're going to have to tell me just how having extra-marital sex has anything to do with a "liberal 'feel gooder'". So what, he's an asshole. The only question is, did he do his job right and did this sex "scandal" interfer with his job? The former is debatable, but I believe that he has been the best president for a *long* time and the latter is a resounding no. That is unless you can magically create some proof to say otherwise.
The fact remains is that no matter what you say this *is* the mentality of the US in general, as a country. It doesn't matter what the individuals behave like as I'm sure there are many good people down there. But, *as* *a* *whole*, the mentality of the US is quite Id like. In fact to the point of nearing the literal definition in my previous post (I'd hazard to say in the limit as well).
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Thursday, September 2, 2004 8:04 PM
... some things that have become apparent to even the most conservative ...
The White House created the policy and authorized the torture of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq.
How they did this is still being discovered though so called "contracters" may have been the main perpetrators in prisons anywhere a so called "enemy combatant" is held. Revealed in the recent trial - When a US. Army corporal asked a Sgt. what "those guys are doing" he was told to drop it and "let them do thier job". Them being these mysterious contractors.
Will Americans be embarrassed and demand a corrupt government step down?
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Thursday, September 2, 2004 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Army corporal asked a Sgt. what "those guys are doing" he was told to drop it and "let them do thier job". Them being these mysterious contractors.
Id want info...
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Will Americans be embarrassed and demand a corrupt government step down?
I have the distinct feeling that this will all be justified somehow and swept under the rug. The media will tire of it and stop reporting, moving onto the next new shiny thing. I mean, how many "average joes" are actually still paying attention to this even now (or even care)? Onto the next rating getting story.
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Thursday, September 2, 2004 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Id want info...
And what the id wants... (excellent Freudian slip there!)
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I have the distinct feeling that this will all be justified somehow and swept under the rug.
Only if Bush were re-elected. When he loses the election in November, this stuff will be front page news by January. Just watch.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Friday, September 3, 2004 1:28 AM
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Id want info...
And what the id wants... (excellent Freudian slip there!)
Forgive me, I'm quite tired right now. But, how is this a Freudian slip?
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I have the distinct feeling that this will all be justified somehow and swept under the rug.
Only if Bush were re-elected. When he loses the election in November, this stuff will be front page news by January. Just watch.
I sincerely hope that this is true, I just have doubts about it happening. My fingers are crossed though.
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