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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Anybody who would strap a bomb on their chest or down a plane that they're on to take out other people is an animal. I won't sugar coat that. It's not as if I'm lumping in everyone and calling all Muslims animals.
So you're really saying that the passengers on Flight 93 were a bunch of "animals", right? Those are your terms, yes? They downed a plane that they were on, in order to take out other people, after all.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Please remember,Anthony, before you post further, that I'm a right leaning libertarian that holds the church in much higher regard than a lot of the folk who post here. I may not be confirmed Catholic yet, at 32, and I may not tow the Rethuglican line 24/7, but the Demonocrats scare me even more......
I find it hilarious that you refer to yourself as any kind of "libertarian" at all. You're a sniveling boot-licker, eager to please your master while condemning others for being so blind and dumb as to do the same.
Every charge you've leveled at "them" can just as easily be made against "us", America, capitalism, the 1%, etc.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Maybe the RWED would benefit here from hearing from a person who has lost a loved one from one of these mindles proles carrying out their duty.
Raises hand...
You do realize that I lost my father to just such mindless proles who were only "carrying out their duty", right? He was a good soldier, obeyed orders, went to 'Nam, spent a year getting doused with Agent Orange, and even his beloved government admits that they murdered him - but they were only doing what they were told, after all.
Yet you persist in thinking it's only "them" who are capable of such monstrous behavior to others. Your own country does it every single day, Jack, and you'll happily cheer them on all the while, because you're one of those useful idiots who believe in "American excpetionalism", i.e., the idea that if someone else does it, it's horrific, but if AMERICA does it, then that's an exception, and it's magically awesome now because it was done by AMERICA, and AMERICA can never do wrong!
And because you follow such black-and-white beliefs, you'll never be useful in this world for anything other than cannon fodder.
I never had very much respect for you, but this thread has proven that I gave you far too much benefit of the doubt, and that you are an utterly worthless excuse for a human. You are, in your own words, a sub-human animal, and you brainwashed yourself into that state. You can't even blame your church; you did this all to yourself. The real difference between you and a suicide bomber is that you're far more of a coward, and would never put your brave words into action.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Come on Quicko, I see what you're saying but using flight 93 as an example is totally lame and isn't applicable, you know that was a good of the many outweighs the good of the few thing.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Doesn't that also apply to the hijackers? They weren't ignorant countryboys brainwashed into visions of glory and virgins, so here kid, make your tape and strap on your vest and go get 'em, tiger. They were older, educated, some even married with families. Surely they weren't doing it for their own good ... therefore, they must have been doing it for the good of the many. If you can't see it, consider that it's just that their 'many' is different from your 'many'.
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Interesting idea/perspective Kiki. the question then is are they doing it for some perceived cause to help their fellow countrymen and Muslims? Or are they doing it for the virgins they get afterwords. I guess we'd have to talk to a former Al Qaida member to find that out.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Hello,
We might as well ask if Christians try to be good because it's the right thing to do... or if they insidiously try to be good merely for the bounties of heaven or the resurrection.
I would suggest that not everything can be boiled down to such a convenient motivation, and possibly nobody ever did anything on the singular premise of getting virgins. (Or going to heaven, for that matter.) I would suggest that people are a hair deeper and more complex than that. Even if they hope to get virgins or go to heaven, there's more going on.
But it sure sounds good to say that some animal committed mass murder just to ream a bunch of virgins and for no other reason. It protects us from having to think any deeper about their motivations or our own.
--Anthony
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Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196
Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.
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Well... shit.
Y'all beat me to the punchline - in TRIPLICATE even.
I'm actually impressed. 
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Damn Kwicko...
You posted the shit out of my posts :)
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Anybody who would strap a bomb on their chest or down a plane that they're on to take out other people is an animal. I won't sugar coat that. It's not as if I'm lumping in everyone and calling all Muslims animals.
So you're really saying that the passengers on Flight 93 were a bunch of "animals", right? Those are your terms, yes? They downed a plane that they were on, in order to take out other people, after all.
As for flight 93, I won't even go into that with you, on your terms, because that would bring up a whole bunch of "conspiracy theories" concerning easily made up audio digested by a desperate public because people in HIGH places needing to make EXECUTIVE decisions to just make sure a plane falls over un-populated land.
Even with my conspiratorial sided mind, I have to agree it was the right decision if it really went down the way I suspect it REALLY did.
It sure as hell is a decision I would never be qualified to make, but seeing as how there was several hours warning that something was wrong with that flight, making it disappear before it killed not only anyone in that plane, but any potentially thousands more that it flew into, was the right decision.
I hated the Bush government for that feeling for many years. Now that we're all a little older and more used to this thing, how else could it have played out? Assuming that we intentionally shot that plane out of the sky when we had the chance, as horrific as that image is, what would happen if it ever got out that this is what really happened?
So... assuming that we did shoot that plane out of the sky, knowing full well there were hundreds of innocent Americans on it when it happened, the only questions we can ask, post mortom, is why was this the best decision?
I have some suggestions that I'd like to humbly suggest....
1) Two planes had already mindlessly crashed into the Twin Towers, hours before. Although I personally held no positive regard for what they stood for, the truth is that not only did many American civilians die there that day, but many foreign civilians did as well, as well as hundreds of brave firefighters and cops.
2) You bet your ass that after that fact every agency available was monitoring every single second of every single move any planes were making. When you have some commercial jet that is just "accidentally" making its way over Camp David (where it didn't belong), what do you do before it's too late?
3) Assuming the situation I laid out here EVER even really happened in real life, why would you EVER tell the public about it? If that happened, there were no HEROs involved, just a Nazi Government that does whatever the hell it wants......
There would probably only be people who haven't slept a good night's sleep in 11 years after the fact. It would be a HORRIBLE choice to have to make, and I'm glad that a choice like that is so far above my pay grade that I'd never even have to talk to those Americans who would have made that decision.
So... sorry about taking the "long story" route, but I belive this question is a red herring because I don't believe at all the way that things went down according to your children's Social Studies books. (The same books that now call Columbus a slave trader)
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I find it hilarious that you refer to yourself as any kind of "libertarian" at all. You're a sniveling boot-licker, eager to please your master while condemning others for being so blind and dumb as to do the same.
Every charge you've leveled at "them" can just as easily be made against "us", America, capitalism, the 1%, etc.
Dude, you don't know me. Back off a second.....
I don't trust anyone, on any side, even the "Libertarians". That's why I'm 32 and I own my own house with CASH money and I'm rehabbing it. I moved into an area relatively close to family and the p
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Hi Quicko, I know you've mentioned your dad and I think I've said it before, but I'm sorry for his passing and the manner it happened in, agent orange is rut nasty stuff.
Jack, I'm sorry about your uncle, it sounds like you two were really close and had a special relationship and cared about each other a lot. He sounds like he was a nice and caring person.
I guess he just couldn't do it anymore. :(
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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