Wow - North Korea agrees to suspend nuclear weapons tests and uranium enrichment
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Exactly, and somehow we can't feed our own ?
I don't buy that, never have, never will.
What that MEANS, is that the horrors of starvation faced by our poor are entirely deliberate.
Our "leaders" have much to answer for, in that respect.
-F
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I was thinkin about this a bit, and it does strike me also as out of sorts that we'd tie the aid offer to them not being able to defend themselves against us rather than humanitarian concerns - given how we used sanctions and inspections to make SURE Iraq was all but defenseless before we attacked em, in the same way school bullies rat out potentially packing victims to ensure their own safety...
Seems like our concern is more that they might be able to stand off our aggression rather than any concern for the health and welfare of their people, and I really, really don't like the thought of that, not when the nuclear bludgeon is the ONLY thing proven to mitigate our aggressive meddling.
And of course the first question that should always come to mind when someone else wants you to ground arms or surrender them, is what are their intentions that they'd rather you not be ABLE to resist ?
Siggy has mentioned how people are shaped by early experiences, and I must admit in concept there's some truth here cause the first thing what comes to mind is that scene in the kitchen from my earliest childhood, of my abusive father, wounded and limping, demanding I put down the knife and "be reasonable" while balling one fist behind his leg where he thought I didn't see it...
Yeah, I knew why he wanted me to put down that knife, and I knew damn well what was gonna happen if I did.
North Korea should tell us to piss off.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Given that imagery I would say you were definitely shaped by your childhood, you have that always-on anger and distrust - you've got more than a little junkyard dog in you - doubt that's the first time you've heard that. You probably won't be surprised either to hear that that may not be the most objective position to judge something from...?
I've adjusted my expectations of all governments downward. For instance: I don't expect them to feed the poor so I'm not disappointed when they don't. When was the last time - or ever - that they did something that any of us thought, "wow, they did a great job with that!"
This NK thing - if it's true great, we can feed our own starving and still send them food so that's not a deal breaker to me. If it's more hokem, fine, it's better than threats.
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That's about it as far as I'm concerned. Which is why I ignore the "rattle sabers, sheath sabers" bullshit as it goes back and forth, back and forth.
They do this every few years, to keep getting U.S. food aid - supposedly for their citizens - that they can redirect to their military and government workers.
Then they move all the nuclear stuff underground and keep working, and wait to get caught so they can do the same thing over again. 
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Given that imagery I would say you were definitely shaped by your childhood, you have that always-on anger and distrust - you've got more than a little junkyard dog in you - doubt that's the first time you've heard that. You probably won't be surprised either to hear that that may not be the most objective position to judge something from...?
GRRRRRRR!
Ain't about bein objective as is it a counterpoint to the assumption that grounding arms in the face of threat is always a good idea - it isn't like I pretend not to have biases or agendas, everyone does and I do try to be more upfront about it.
That said, it wasn't JUST that incident, so much as the constant non-stop reinforcement of that viewpoint, over and over which calcified it to where my FIRST response to a call to ground arms is to become IMMENSELY suspicious of motive, and consider a pre-emptive first strike - note that I say consider, cause I can be reasonable, but when the rationale usually offered is "So we can do stuff to you that you would not consent to" it certainly don't help the case.
I mentioned it here before, that it wasn't too long after that a fellow student was kicked to death in a stairwell at my school immediately after being disarmed - the punks he stood up to ratted him out and THEN attacked him afterwords.
And so on, and so forth - years and years worth of folks wanting to remove my ability to resist them visiting their bad intentions upon me has certainly colored my perspective, sure...
But still, it *IS* always worth asking "What are your intentions?" because often as not even the lies they tell you reveal as much as truths.
ETA: I don't exactly MIND feedin anyone, better than bombing them for sure, but we ought feed our own first, or at least in addition, and that we do not really annoys me.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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The poor and homeless can easily get free food in this county if they have transportation to get to it. None of the
free food is "off the farm." It is canned and packaged as if super market surplus. A few government commodities sneak in.
A free hot meal served daily is done by the Catholic church here. No sermons, no prayers. Among the homeless there, a
trouble maker may show up, just looking for a fight. Are such people high on drugs or just crazy? I dunno.
Senior citizens can get meals on wheels for free.
No famine here that I know of.
The welfare state is still working -- for now.
Excuse the OT.
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Wow - North Korea agrees to suspend nuclear weapons tests and uranium enrichment
That's just because the North Koreans are all too busy watching the South Korean music videos!
It's what I said YEARS before about the Middle East.
Since we're a nation of pussies that won't lob a bomb back when they bomb our Twin Towers, we need a more subtle and long term approach.
Take a step back and ask why they're so vehemently religious in the Middle East. It's because 90% of them have nothing but the sand in their ass cracks. At least if you're poor in America you can still bum enough off the rich folk in big cities to get another bottle of cheap booze, even in these times.
In the Middle East, you have oil, or you are a slave to those who do. The only other alternative is being a "good" person and shunning any creature comforts and immersing yourself completely in religion. The "Haves" know that full well and easily manipulate a lot of the "have nots".
I digress. I'm glad to see that North Korea seems to be on board these days.
If we want the Middle East to catch up, I propose a 3 prong approach.
1) Irrigate their shit-hole of land so that it can accept vegitation.
2) After grass can finally be grown there, send them cows and chickens.
3) After McDonalds opens on every street corner because they don't have to import beef anymore, get the kids hooked on cable TV and in a generation or two they'll be shunning the old ways.
Hey... I'm a "White" guy. That doesn't mean that my Polock Grandpa didn't hate "Old Blue Eyes" for any reason other than he was a Dago.
The ONLY reason that the Middle Eastern wackos are so religious is because it's the only "FUN" thing to do in their shit-hole lives. They live in Satan's asshole.
Screw Terraforming the moon or Mars. Terraform the Middle East and give them MTV and "Iranian Idol" and they'll be so busy screwing each other that they'll all forget who Allah was except for when they're screaming "Oh Allah!, Oh Allah! in throws of mindless passion.
Problem solved.....
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Since we're a nation of pussies that won't lob a bomb back when they bomb our Twin Towers...
This is pretty much all I needed to read from Jack to remember just how big an idiot he can be. We didn't "lob a bomb" in the mid-east? Really? Well over a trillion dollars wasted, thousands of soldiers dead on all sides, hundreds of thousands of civilians dead, our economy ruined, and all for NOTHING, and you still don't think we lobbed a bomb their way?
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Sorry man... That's just an idiot response on your part.
What did the real "Bombs" to Japan do during WWII?
As far as I can tell these days, they make the greatest video games ever.
F carpet bombing a few mountain ranges and watching our kids die.
1 day after the Twin Towers, we should have given 24 hour notice to vacate Mecca.
Anyone who died there would be like the idiots who died at ground zero in Independence Day, and nobody would feel sorry for them.
Bomb America, okay....
Mecca and 5 miles surrounding it turned into Superman's fortress of solitude.
WAR......
OVER......
And if 24 hour warning was given, there would be no casualties to apologize for.
Back in 2001.
But here we are.....
Still quagmired in a war that Obama couldn't get us out of.
BTW... How's that closing of Git-Mo going, nearly 4 years later?
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book
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Why do you have to mix such complete idiocy up with it every time you got a point, Jack ?
Seriously, yeah verily we could turn that place into farmland cheaper than wasteland, and if we buckled down with the moderates on it THEY would throw them shitheads out instead of hiding being the radical fucks from our sabre rattling.
But as for 9-11, you *do* realize all the ACTUAL evidence points to a pack of Saudis with a Kuwaiti financier, who is at this moment sitting in a federal supermax, yes ?
Not that I think you care if the Christofascists and the Radical Islamists kill each other, shit, neither do I - but I kinda mind when they do it on my dime, you know ?
IMHO we shoulda put them towers RIGHT BACK UP, all hands on board, as fast as we *could* do it, just to slap them in the face and show them how petty and feeble the attempt to cow or bait us was - but no, our politicians, all of em, walked right into it, and our so-called-protectors HELPED em right into the trap...
(And given WHO gave Ramzi Youssef that bomb in 1993 I am quite sure it was on purpose.)
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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