Celestial Navigation Chart of the Verse

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SHADOWTEK

Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:35 PM

Big Cosmetic Update!

Hello, all links in first post have been updated.

One thing that had been bugging me was that some of the planets were sub-par, so...

I replaced more then half of the planet images, I wanted to make sure all were unique and I replaced all the crappy planet images.. Many had just looked like colored balls, now they all should look like planets (for the most part)

I also added shadows to many of the planets.

I changed New Canaan to a ring world as that planet has a ring around it (plus I really wanted to add a ring planet lol.)

Edit: Also note I made the red and blue stars a little bigger (and look better) and the rar download now contains a PNG file rather then a TIFF file as they look the same in quality but the PNG is 2 megs smaller.

SHADOWTEK

Friday, January 27, 2012 1:42 AM

Final Update *Its Really Done Now*
(sorry for all the updates, I just wanted it to be perfect, well as perfect as within my power to make it anyway)

Fixed a few more planets, Made another ring world I missed (was a normal planet before).
I couldn't let it go as final until I fixed all text to be clear (left over from when I was saving it wrong) all text is now crystal clear (re-did all white sun and most red sun text)

First Post updated for the last time (Short of any errors people find or requests)

It is 100% Finished! (For real this time lol)

BTW I just discovered this FFF.Net 2.0 very nice!!!

SHADOWTEK

Friday, January 27, 2012 7:15 PM

I modified the first post and got rid of all the garbage there (text wise lol)and I removed the second background image (no need for it), I think you guys may be right, it looks better without a background, but I'll experiment, If you find one that might look cool but not be too intrusive, let me know.

On a side note, Are they gonna make this FFF.NET 2.0 the main site? I really like it and didn't even realize it existed until yesterday, Id been using that other site. This site is 100% better IMO Very cool :)

EDIT: I re-uploaded the large file download, I was able to reduce it to under 8 megs AND I went and by hand removed all JPG artifacts that were on the image, you dont have to re-download.. but its smaller, and more clear, and has no jpg artifacts.. its the same map.. just better, smaller and clearer..

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:03 PM

You asked for mentions of errors.
This week is the first I've seen this, haven't been able to visit in a while.

If you were interested, some discussion of the map of the verse and VIN and Navigation and Travel in the Verse was done, and most af these threads are listed in Blue Sun Room in a thread titled Writer's Resource Package.

Off the top of my head:
The sun orbits seem too uniform, I didn't recall the distance from Halo to Yellow/Red Sun orbits to be similar to Kalidasa to Blue orbits, nor from Comm Satelite orbit to Kalidasa either - I was thinking the outer orbits were farther apart from each other than the inner orbit distances.
I'll need to get a better view of your image and recheck my maps.

You seem to have 16 Comm Satelites in that ring, and I was thinking it was less, like 6 or 12.

One thing which seems confusing is the different scales.
Perhaps, like on normal maps, show the Sun (like Yellow Sun) and it's orbiting planets in the same scale on the big map, and then have your blow-ups off to the side (outside the Blue Sun Ring) like maps have, like more detail of major cities, referred to as inserts.

Did you intend to show the offset plane of the tilted system? I forget which one, Red or Blue Sun? The orbital plane was like 15 or 30 degrees off of the plane of the rest of the system, which would show as elliptical when viewed from above the primary plane.

Of course, I don't think the wrong location of the planet Maidenhead Bar was on was ever corrected, so you likely have the same issue on your version.

I tried opening the fullsize of that image, and it was downloaded as a RAR file - what is that, and is there a free version of software to open it? What happened to the PNG version you mentioned above?

CYBERSNARK

Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Perhaps, like on normal maps, show the Sun (like Yellow Sun) and it's orbiting planets in the same scale on the big map,

Well, realistically, a sun and its orbiting planets wouldn't be visible at the same scale.

See here for an example: http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/solarsystem/

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SHADOWTEK

Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:28 PM

Hi Thanks for the feedback!

Quote:
You asked for mentions of errors.
This week is the first I've seen this, haven't been able to visit in a while.

If you were interested, some discussion of the map of the verse and VIN and Navigation and Travel in the Verse was done, and most af these threads are listed in Blue Sun Room in a thread titled Writer's Resource Package.

Ok I'll check it out, I'm new here so haven't found everything yet :)

Quote:
Off the top of my head:
The sun orbits seem too uniform, I didn't recall the distance from Halo to Yellow/Red Sun orbits to be similar to Kalidasa to Blue orbits, nor from Comm Satelite orbit to Kalidasa either - I was thinking the outer orbits were farther apart from each other than the inner orbit distances.
I'll need to get a better view of your image and recheck my maps.

Yeah orbits are not in perspective, Nor is planet size or sun size. Maybe I could add a <--- distance ---> between each orbit? If you know what they are? Also I didn't want the image to be any bigger then it already is.

Quote:
You seem to have 16 Comm Satelites in that ring, and I was thinking it was less, like 6 or 12.

Theres 11 in one ring and 4 in another, I got the info from this:

Is it wrong?

Quote:
One thing which seems confusing is the different scales.
Perhaps, like on normal maps, show the Sun (like Yellow Sun) and it's orbiting planets in the same scale on the big map, and then have your blow-ups off to the side (outside the Blue Sun Ring) like maps have, like more detail of major cities, referred to as inserts.

I can try and make some mini systems in scale. I originally used the actual QM mini images they released to the public as the mini systems (see my old "Outdated map thread" for how I did it) But wasn't sure that would be cool or not to use them as there copyrighted.

Quote:
Did you intend to show the offset plane of the tilted system? I forget which one, Red or Blue Sun? The orbital plane was like 15 or 30 degrees off of the plane of the rest of the system, which would show as elliptical when viewed from above the primary plane.

No, just that they were irregular orbits.
EDIT: Oh I see what you ment, I didnt know that, if you can figure out which one, I can make its orbit green (and make a new legend entry..

Quote:
Of course, I don't think the wrong location of the planet Maidenhead Bar was on was ever corrected, so you likely have the same issue on your version.

Where should it be at? Let me know!

Thanks for the feedback and help :)

EDIT:

Quote:
Well, realistically, a sun and its orbiting planets wouldn't be visible at the same scale.

See here for an example: http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/solarsystem/

Wow thats one hell of a scale! Took me a bit to figure out I had to scroll right to see the scale lol, thanks for posting that, its very informative :)

TWO

Sunday, January 29, 2012 1:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Of course, I don't think the wrong location of the planet Maidenhead Bar was on was ever corrected, so you likely have the same issue on your version.

I tried opening the fullsize of that image, and it was downloaded as a RAR file - what is that, and is there a free version of software to open it? What happened to the PNG version you mentioned above?

I'm going to throw the hand grenade that JewelStaiteFan pulled the pin from. But first, open the RAR file with free www.7-zip.org/ The PNG version map is inside.

Mal said, "I'm sick a' carrying tourists anyhow. We'll be on Beaumonde in ten hours time, you can pick up your earnings and be on your merry." In ten hours, Mal goes from robbing Lilac to splitting the loot in Beaumonde with Mingo and Fanty at the Maidenhead bar. Lilac circles the star popularly called Blue Sun while Beaumonde circles the star Kalidasa. To go from star to star in ten hours isn't much time unless . . .
Beaumonde is in the wrong place on the official QMx map of the Verse. These kind of mistakes can happen in imaginary Universes.

JewelStaiteFan figured it out long ago: "If Beaumonde is in fact in the Blue Sun system, then all onscreen portrayals of travel and elapsed time are reasonable. . . . From Lilac, 10 hours is not even enough to leave the Blue Sun system, so this further adds weight to the idea that Beaumonde is not located in Kalidasa, but in Blue Sun." - www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=4&t=38693

Kaboom! goes the hand grenade, but no one's mind is changed about which star Beaumonde orbits.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

SHADOWTEK

Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:33 PM

Ok, Does anybody disagree that Beaumonde should be moved?

In the meantime heres the PNG for those that want Beaumonde in the Blue Sun System:
EDIT: Fixed a error
http://www.mediafire.com/?abz6nc1bh4osay4

SHADOWTEK

Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:02 PM

Quote:
Did you intend to show the offset plane of the tilted system? I forget which one, Red or Blue Sun? The orbital plane was like 15 or 30 degrees off of the plane of the rest of the system, which would show as elliptical when viewed from above the primary plane.

Assuming its the Blue Sun System, Ive added a green glow and made a new entry in the legend, its not elliptical from above (I dont want to re-draw the whole system), but its shown as a irregular orbit.. Below is a PNG showing the new entry (With Beaumonde in the Blue Sun System) If anyone wants it(Edit: Fixed a goof):
http://www.mediafire.com/?71d4z4123uea01e

EDIT: I actually could show it as a elliptical from above if you guys really want that..

EDIT 2:Added below

TWO

Monday, January 30, 2012 12:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowTek:
Ok, Does anybody disagree that Beaumonde should be moved?

In the meantime heres the PNG for those that want Beaumonde in the Blue Sun System:
EDIT: Fixed a error
http://www.mediafire.com/?abz6nc1bh4osay4

If you're doing parallel universes, I've got a suggestion.

I've always championed Sygnus as the name for Mr Universe's moon. The official description does not roll easily off the tongue: Kalidasa + 150 degrees, A/2260(White Sun)r25m9 in Cortex Relay Station Ring 2. I think it is the relay station that's 1000 pixels from the left edge and 1500 pixels from the top, which puts it right where it needs to be for the Reavers to chase Serenity.

Sygnus can be confused with the word Cygnus, the Swan constellation. Mr Universe spells everything phonetically. He was on a crusade to rationalize spelling.

And besides, Sygnus sounds like sickness, which describes Mr Universe. He probably played retro-games written on Earth with his humping robot, Lenore. With her quick reflexes, Lenore could always win, but the robot knows it is better to let Mister win. It makes him feel good about himself, which means he will buy her more pretty dresses and refill her K-Y lubricant reservoir.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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