7 in 10 U.S. Protestant pastors reject evolution

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1KIKI

Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:39 AM

MMmmmmm ... that's a tall order.

To get back to when you were trying to have a discussion about economies - about how to create an economy that doesn't positively feed back on small differences in scope which then go cascading to create steep hierarchies - there are just too many factors - for me - to consider all at the same time to grind an analysis forward to figure how it will all come out. To accurately predict the results of even a few systematic rules. When I say thinking is HHAARRrrrd I mean me. And, I'm guessing, for others as well.

Not to say that people shouldn't think, or that belief should be mistaken for, or substituted for, thought.

But the kind of discussion you're looking for is (in general) an examination of very large questions, which happens slowly, if at all.

And besides, look at what happens when even a very limited question is asked - when ads are your only source of information, how do you determined the appropriateness and quality of medical care? You'd think (I'd think anyway) that a very limited question like that would invite all sorts of direct, focused answers. But, not so much.

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:11 PM

Well, it's hard for me, too. This is a wall I keep running into. I gather up all my facts, take a running start at an answer and ... SMACK! Wind up plastered against obdurate logic. Which is why I'm here, looking for a little boost, a toe-hold, or something, anything. I feel I'm not looking at this properly. Now society may move on past this conundrum, and in a very evolutionary way, bit by bit, evolve into something positive which no one could have predicted. But I don't have faith in social evolution... I'm too aware of Jared Diamond's How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed; as I said, history is replete with examples of failed societies.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:10 PM

Well Magons, I have high hopes for Rhianna - mind you she wrote most of the plot of Overlord which is one of my favorite games, plus I suspect she's been helping Terry with a little ghost-writing for longer than he's comfortable with admitting...

Siggy, I still think the notion of edible/perishable currency has some legs, the problem would be implementing it on a wider scale, cause that sorta thing is already present both around here and in the areas of detroit where urban farming has caught on.

The use-it-or-lose it aspect seems a pretty reliable check against concentrations of power.

-F

1KIKI

Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:11 PM

There may be supra-logic human reactions as well. Even if a system should LOGICALLY work there may be confounding human factors at work - a little bit like the chimps and fruit in a big pile or like baboons with their most aggressive troop members accidentally wiped out.

One of the things I find strange about humans in an unthinking group (running on automatic pilot and old ideas) for example is how often they do the EXACT opposite of what is rational. When resources get scarce birth rate goes up. When resources get scarce people use and hoard them more rather than husband and magnify them.

It's that whole question about what was the Easter Islander thinking when he chopped down the last tree? Did he even recognize the absolute destructiveness of that act? And if he did, was he so in the grip of immediate social forces that he could NOT do any different?

Similarly, there are a few relatively rare cultures that went up to the brink - and stepped back. How did they do that? Was it the act of one or two powerful people who swayed a culture? Or was it a general consensus bottom-up movement?

Diamond hit upon an excellent question, it would be nice if he had an answer!

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well Magons, I have high hopes for Rhianna - mind you she wrote most of the plot of Overlord which is one of my favorite games, plus I suspect she's been helping Terry with a little ghost-writing for longer than he's comfortable with admitting..

-F

We're watching the Colour of Magic in the evenings. Must be Pratchett season for us :)

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:48 PM

I hate to say it ikiki, but going to the brink and then over seems to be the way that things seem to equalise themselves with us humans. Unfortunately, there are always scars.

RIONAEIRE

Monday, January 16, 2012 5:30 AM

On WMDs, since I've never stated how I feel: I don't believe Iraq was making them. I believe that the public, and congress, were given false info, probably by someone who wanted a war, but possibly by accident. If they had any they were probably from Iran, bought from them, and not very many. It wasn't a valid reason to start a war at any rate. In high school when it happened I believed we were right, not anymore.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, January 16, 2012 2:41 PM

See, that's one of the problems with decent people... they assume the decency of others.

Those inspections never had a goddamn thing to do with WMDs as far as we were concerned, the Neocon cabal in power that was pushing for them was using them to ensure Iraq was as defenseless as possible before they invaded - much in the same fashion as a school bully claiming their intended victim has a weapon so that the administration conveniently disarms them and serves them up helpless on a platter.
Same general phenomenae writ large, is what that was, what that ALWAYS was.

And mind you, the kid they did that to back in 1977/1978 at my school ?
That killed him, they cornered him alone in a stairwell and kicked him to death, it was written off as an accident but IMHO it was no such thing and the school was as guilty as the punks.

Anyhows, the UN knows damn well we set them up and USED them to disarm a country we fully intended to victimize regardless, and that's one reason they ain't willing to do jack shit for us...
The other reason is that *nutcase* Bolton, who's like a combination of the worst traits of Rappy and Whozit squished into the personality of the most obnoxious gym coach you could imagine - and we sent THIS asshole over there as a diplomat, REALLY?!
Worse, Romney and Newt are sucking up to this scumbag and planning an encore performance...
So tell me, how many MORE wars you want us sucked into, eh ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, January 13, 2024 6:18 PM

Can (or should) science prove the existence of God?
https://english.elpais.com/culture/2024-01-01/can-or-should-science-pr
ove-the-existence-of-god.html

and a moral question when AI engineers virtual humans

Metaverse cloning tech uses AI to create ‘virtual’ versions of you that live in games – you ‘can’t always control it’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/25087045/metaverse-cloning-tech-ai-virtu
al-games/

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, October 2, 2024 3:18 PM

Montana man gets 6 months in prison for cloning giant sheep and breeding it
https://apnews.com/article/giant-sheep-clone-breed-trophy-hunt-d3a2b57
886980266abeac69c44b70b2a
An 81-year-old Montana man was sentenced Monday to six months in federal prison for illegally using tissue and testicles from large sheep hunted in Central Asia and the U.S. to create hybrid sheep for captive trophy hunting in Texas and Minnesota.
U.S. District Court Judge Brian Morris said he struggled to come up with a sentence for Arthur “Jack” Schubarth of Vaughn, Montana. He said he weighed Schubarth’s age and lack of a criminal record with a sentence that would deter anyone else from trying to “change the genetic makeup of the creatures” on the earth.

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