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It's official, Iran attacked USA on 911

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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:55 PM


For the same reason Lyndon B deliberately prolonged vietnam, to cull the "undesireables" they send to war, the less useful peons.

-F

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Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:34 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

For the same reason Lyndon B deliberately prolonged vietnam, to cull the "undesireables" they send to war, the less useful peons.

-F



More than that, as it's less effective as a genocide the way we do it, against our own undesirables, though I agree that's who they send. It's effective as genocide against the other side, and is meant that way, because we set them up to fight each other, koreans vs. koreans, etc. That was more than just eugenics, they were staving off competitors like Japan. They didn't forsee people trying to find the damned apostrophe on a korean keyboard but I digress.

My main thought on this at the moment is that it's a psychological investment of total war, one of several. If people lose their children to this idiocy, they need to believe that it's not idiocy so strongly, that they'll go out and try to convince everyone else. Ergo, it's a token force from the disposable classes, just so everyone knows someone who's in the damn thing, and everyone is connected to a death or two via friend of a friend, etc.

It's one of the most fucked up things. We make sure they kill our guys so people will believe.

The most fucked up thing is the pure evil, with no real value, like torture. My current thinking on that is that it's more emotional investment for total war, but this one is about making sure that you're so evil that the other side would never ever compromise with you or surrender to you. That way you can keep the war going indefinitely.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:33 AM

Well yeah, me - I've come to the conclusion that if anyone ever orders ME to murder folks I don't even know who've done nothin to me personally, they're no longer a friendly, and the intended victims at best potentively hostile neutrals.
Proper target prioritization means they eat lead first.

Quote:

I don't know where the moral is
Or where this song should end
But I wonder just how many wars
Are fought between good friends
And those who give the orders
Are not the ones to die
It's Scott and young MacDonald
And the likes of you and I

-There were Roses.


Organised warfare itself ranks somewhere between insanity and evil, and happens to the the exclusive province of Governments.

That's a pretty compelling argument against them, you ask me - as is conscription, which is a form of slavery, believe me it does not escape my sense of irony that all the while Lincoln was going on about freeing slaves from non-combat servitude he was having his own forces fire on people who refused to serve as his triggermen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

We went from this..


BOSTON MASSACRE

To this...


NY Draft Riots

And don't ya know, I ain't seeing a lotta difference there - do you ?

Oh, and let's not continue to pretend the myth of a volunteer army, when we use economic exploitation to drive people there in combination with targeted propaganda efforts.
Is YOUR cult allowed full access to public schools to harrass students ?
Given their personal information to aid in their efforts ?
Then why allow the cult of The State, hmmm ?

But more than that, a "volunteer" can quit, just say eff it and un-volunteer without consequence.
And that ain't what it is, they're drummed into a contract, which is often so misleading that in a business it would be laughed out of court, by an organisation not often held to the terms of it...
(In fact, they *broke* mine, leading to me being dumped on IRR for all eternity)
And any attempt to un-volunteer leads to being charged with AWOL, Desertion or what have you, with penalties up to and including being shot.
Doesn't sound a lot like "voluntary" to me - does your average charity come hunting you, throw you in the brig, shoot you at dawn, if you find yourself at a moral impasse with them and walk away ?

Mind you, I don't have as much issue with the *idea* of killing someone as most people do, but unless it's paid for on an individual, personal level - or for explicitly personal reasons, the entire notion of it is insane - which strangely enough qualifies me as a Conscientious Objector since my objection is to organized warfare on an impersonal, bulk-rate hourly-wage scale which I find profoundly offensive in both a religious and philosophical sense.

Anyhows, one of the best arguments against Governments there ever was, is that they inevitably lead to wars.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, January 1, 2012 2:58 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
They don't need a giant owl to sacrifice children, they have the military.



And Bill Gates...

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"The nation’s largest abortion provider topped $1 billion in total net assets in 2009-2010, its first time reaching that mark, according to Planned Parenthood’s latest annual report. Almost half of the group’s annual revenue — 46 percent — comes from taxpayers in the form of grants, contracts and Medicaid payments, according to an analysis by the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List."
-The Hill, Planned Parenthood tops $1 billion in assets, 12/30/11
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/abortion/201833-planned-parenthoo
d-tops-1-billion-in-assets


"In a lengthy interview with Bill Moyers released today, Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates reveals the inspiration for his funding of pro-abortion population control measures. Responding to a question by Moyers on how he came to fund “reproductive issues” Gates answered, “When I was growing up, my parents were always involved in various volunteer things. My dad was head of Planned Parenthood."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2003/may/03050902

Bill Gates' father's jewish law firm ran Planned Parenthood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Gates,_Sr

"Microsoft founder turned philanthropist Bill Gates released a glass full of mosquitoes at an elite technology conference to make a point about the deadly disease malaria. "Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at the Technology, Entertainment, Design Conference — a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars. "I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected." The unusual presentation on malaria prevention was confirmed by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's media office.
In September, Gates announced that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would provide $168.7 million to the PATH Malaria Vaccine Initiative to help develop a vaccine for the deadly disease [and avoid paying taxes on $168.7 million by giving it to themselves]." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488348,00.html

"The UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs announced plans to combat Dengue fever and other mosquito-borne illnesses with genetically modified mosquitoes designed to make them sterile or simply kill them off, as reported on the U.N news service IRIN. These mosquitoes are engineered with an extra gene or inserted bacterium. "People generally do not like the unknown and are alarmist. Because there has never been a [field] release of GM [genetically modified] mosquitoes, critics are free to imagine what can possibly go wrong," said UK-based entomologist and professor at Imperial College London, John Mumford. The Malaysia-headquartered NGO Pesticide Action Network-Asia and the Pacific opposed a since-granted request to release modified mosquitoes on the grounds that "it may have environmental or health consequences as well as carry risks arising from horizontal gene transfer", wrote executive director, Sarojeni V. Rengam, who stressed the "possibility of new health risks to humans and animals....the insect may become more virulent, aggressive, or its bite might have different effects on the host." The most shocking section of this release is that for the last 50 years scientists have released billions of engineered insects into the ecosystem. In fact, many have reported that recent dengue outbreaks can be directly traced to U.S. Army experiments coordinated by the CIA. In most cases of government funding for scientific research, there is usually a military origin. The technology is even being used as another manufactured terrorist threat. The U.N. proudly reports: 'Australian researchers from the University of Queensland, funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, have received regulatory approval to begin in December to release mosquitoes infected with a bacterium.'"
-Activist Post ,Bill Gat

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Sunday, January 1, 2012 3:12 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

For the same reason Lyndon B deliberately prolonged vietnam, to cull the "undesireables" they send to war, the less useful peons.

-F



We should adopt the Starship Troopers policy for illegals , and draft them in the military.

" Service guarantees citizenship! "



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Sunday, January 1, 2012 3:29 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

For the same reason Lyndon B deliberately prolonged vietnam, to cull the "undesireables" they send to war, the less useful peons.

-F



We should adopt the Starship Troopers policy for illegals , and draft them in the military.

" Service guarantees citizenship! "



Roger that, complied with...

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This is the photojournalist that Sherman Skolnick talked about. The "green card US Army hopefuls" referred to in the story buried in the mass graves came from illegal immigrants apprehended at the US/Mexico border and taken to Court in that area. They were released by the Judges and told to "Go Home". As the illegal Mexican/South American immigrants walked out of the courthouse, they were met by US Army recruiters promising US citizenship, money to send back home and health care, etc.

The problem arose when they were killed in Iraq, where do you send the body of someone who doesn't live in the USA, whose relatives and family are in Mexico or South America.
Do these people even exist on the books as US Army soldiers? By not being citizens living in the USA, the Army saved a lot of money in death benefits, family benefits, etc. because the illegal immigrants family could not petition the US Army in Court for reparations.

So these poor souls were killed in Iraq and buried in mass graves, supposedly by the hundreds, to give you an idea of how much care the US Army gave for them to return to America and claim their promised citizenship.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mass_graves_in_Iraq
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=97074



Pentagon and Obama buried 60,000 US soldiers in landfills...
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-war-dead-in-landfill,0,3154065.s
tory

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Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Another term for preemptive defense would be "starting a war."



love it. classic.

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Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:44 PM

Well, Get real. The truth is we have to have the oil. Europe gets their oil from Iraq. Italy from Libya. Now when you fly over Bahrain you can jump from ship to ship across the gulf. Iran shoots those scuds off in one night the oil is shut off. Lets see how everyone deals with the world's oil supply and refineries burning. Oh you bet they will want the US to save them.

And all these countries such as Ireland enjoying the euro for the last forty years who never contributed to NATO in the last sixty years. Must be real nice to be neutral while America sends their boys and girls to get it done.

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Monday, January 2, 2012 12:48 AM

Frem,

That's why your so awesome.


Couple thoughts.

1) Lincoln actually didn't free all the slaves, at least, not initially, the intitial emancipation proclamation explicitly freed the confederate slaves, something he actually had no jurisdiction over, and he knew that. What he wanted to do was stir up chaos in the south. It was a strategic move, in response to Antietam, and it led into the union victory at Gettysburg. So, there were no nothern slaves, so what
s the difference? Border states. The border states had slaves, but weren't confederate. Meant chaos in Virginia, not in Maryland. But yeah, I knew you knew that already, I just wanted to post it because there's folks out there with illusions about the guy.

2) and more importantly. So often we're sending their guys into machine gun fire and not ours, and sometimes their guys are conscripted. Not that it matters. But the war has always been between the power and peons. I only worry that we as a people, humans, not americans, might cower in fear of war such that we allow these cretins to give us a system of absolute submission to them as our protectors. And if we show no fear of war that they bring us plague, famine and death.



That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, January 2, 2012 6:58 AM

Is what PN says about the landfill true? I mean, I don't think its true, but it would be awful if it was true.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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