This just In...re: House of Representatives
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Monday, December 26, 2011 21:45
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Getting rid of SSI would be a bad idea.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Have you noticed that SSI, and the fact the pay roll tax is the sole source of funding for SSI , isn't being discussed by either party ? No one wants to even address THAT issue, or the solvency of that program, and how reducing what people 'contribute' into the SSI by half will only hasten its demise ?
No, the people are too stupid, too distracted to fully comprehend the bigger picture. All that's being talked about is take home pay, working families and helping the middle class.
Please.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, the people are too stupid, too distracted to fully comprehend the bigger picture. All that's being talked about is take home pay, working families and helping the middle class.
Those are the big picture. It does not matter what else happens but if the whole of the middle class falls into poverty the system crumbles.
Reducing government spending does not help people, it hurts them. Almost all government spending goes to people in one way or another. In the end cutting government spending it takes more money out of the people's hands then any tax cut could.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Reducing government spending does not help people, it hurts them. Almost all government spending goes to people in one way or another. In the end cutting government spending it takes more money out of the people's hands then any tax cut could.
I can't begin to tell you how naive and completely wrong you sound there, MD.
I really am speechless.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I can't begin to tell you how naive and completely wrong you sound there, MD.
I really am speechless.
Really?
Let's look at it. You have said agencies such as the EPA should be done away with. The EPA employs over 17,000 people not counting contractors and has a budget of around $10 billion.
Even if we say only a quarter of that budget is net pay for their employees, that is over $2 billion you are going to take out of the economy.
Now tell me how that helps!
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Reducing government spending does not help people, it hurts them. Almost all government spending goes to people in one way or another. In the end cutting government spending it takes more money out of the people's hands then any tax cut could.
I can't begin to tell you how naive and completely wrong you sound there, MD.
I really am speechless.
In the begining the world was darkness. Then liberal Democrats said "let there be government" and all was right with the world.
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"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.
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And if he's saying that thats a waste, and that body should not be hiring those people, and they don't produce anything or do anything of value, then I wonder what he thinks a toxic nation would do to property values, tourism, the health and mental abilities of our citizens and thus productivitey, and on and on...would be a good time to invest in bubble dome technology though...
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"In the end cutting government spending it takes more money out of the people's hands then any tax cut could."
Hello,
I think this is only true if I receive more back from the government than I put in.
Not only do I have no idea how to calculate that...
But common sense tells me such a system would be unsustainable. At best I can hope for parity.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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I would calculate it as an investment for a continued chunk of the larger global market, when government spends on its people and its infrastructure.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"In the end cutting government spending it takes more money out of the people's hands then any tax cut could."
Hello,
I think this is only true if I receive more back from the government than I put in.
Not only do I have no idea how to calculate that...
But common sense tells me such a system would be unsustainable. At best I can hope for parity.
Depending on how much you put in you may get more back. More so when you add in all the things the government, federal and local, provide. The thing is that some other people let less. In the end any form of Government will redistribute money to different people. A good government will do it in such a way that it keeps the money moving.
You can think of any economy like a river. When money is flowing things are good, when the money stops moving things get stagnate.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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I wasn't commenting on the tax cuts or whatever being discussed here, I was just stating that I feel that getting rid of social security would be a bad thing. That is common with me, I comment on whatever aspect of a thread is relevent to me/bears commenting on. For instance in the vaccines thread all I had to say was "mercury is yucky" and it conveyed exactly what I thought, I didn't need to enter into any of the pedantry back-and-forth stuff going on to state my piece. That's all I was doing here. I think social security is really important, both for older people who need money later in life after working and for people who have disabilities and need money in order to manage in life, because life ain't free. I think helping people is included in the government's job as stated in the preamble. Some people interpret it differently but that's how I interpret it. In a perfect world everyone's family would look after them if they couldn't make money on their own but we don't live in a perfect world so someone needs to pick up the slack. That's how I feel. Now if you can accomplish the same thing with a program that is different, called something else etc. then I will listen to you Anthony, otherwise I don't think we can agree on this issue. And that's okay, we don't have to agree on everything to be friends.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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