This just In...re: House of Representatives

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Insanity. Sheer insanity. When you consider the idiocy it's going to create, for payroll companies, the government, workers, employers, and the money it's going to cost, as well as the fact that they'll all agree to it in the end, sure, doing nothing and going home for the holidays is reeel smart.

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The 2 month extension is what isn't workable, and what will cause all the chaos. This tax " holiday " was always intended to end after 1 year. It's been 1 year, and now the holiday is over.

And why are we being told it's a tax ? This payroll 'tax' is what solely funds SSI. The govt company line has always been that this is a " contribution " into our own SSI accounts, right ? It's not a "tax" at all! Oh, but NOW that Obama wants credit for cutting it, it's a tax ?

Americans are being bamboozled by the DC insiders - Democrat, Republicans and the media, all included.

If this were a Republican President, the media would spin it as the GOP taking $ from old folks, cutting SSI, and giving it to the Rich. ( How ? Who the hell knows, but every time the Left attacks the GOP ,it's always class warfare ). Or they'd say the GOP is trying to end SSI, by cutting its funding, and letting it " whither on the fine ".

But Obama ? He's trying to CUT your taxes ! And the mean old Repulbicans....they just want to stick it to the poor, and take their money!

Only this isn't 'taking' anyone's money, right ? The payroll tax is just a contribution , an "investment " into our future.




This ploy was nothing but PURE politics from the very get go, and Obama knew this , all along. It's like anything else govt does... a tax 'holiday', or a 'temporary ' rate increase, which some how never gets removed or rolled back to its original status, even after the objectives have been met. There's always a new crisis, an unforeseen situation, that pops up,and makes it impossible to end the holiday, or what ever.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Obama was all too eager to let the Bush tax cuts expire with the blessings of all fellow Democrats. People's paychecks would have gone down due to the new higher tax rate. Obama had to cave, the cuts stayed, and a Govt. shutdown was averted. Now it's a similar thing, but the roles are reversed. If Republicans don't pass the bill next week it will do irrepairable damage to any political hopes for 2012. Perception is often reality, and at some point during the non-stop CNN family paycheck disaster analysis reports, you just do what you have to do to stop the bleeding.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama was all too eager to let the Bush tax cuts expire with the blessings of all fellow Democrats. People's paychecks would have gone down due to the new higher tax rate. Obama had to cave, the cuts stayed, and a Govt. shutdown was averted. Now it's a similar thing, but the roles are reversed.

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But the roles aren't reversed. The payroll tax HOLIDAY was always intended to be just that, a 1 year cut in the rate of $ withheld from paychecks to fund SSI. The Bush tax rates have been in place for years now, and were sold, initially to BE permanent. This wasn't.

The GOP should remind everyone that the $ being taken out now is an " investment " to their own SSI. They won't, of course, because then that would remind folks just what a scam SSI is, and the ponzi scheme it is, which takes from you now, on the promise it'll be there when you retire. It won't be, but we're not suppose to pay attention to that little lie, and Obama is well aware of all that.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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" what a scam SSI is, and the ponzi scheme it is, which takes from you now, on the promise it'll be there when you retire. It won't be"

Hello,

I trust we are all in favor of paying less into the scam? Even if it was a real investment, the government is clearly mismanaging it.

Why is there a failure to reach consensus about this reduction?

I'd be happy to reduce my investment to zero, and have my investment refunded.

However, paying less brings me partway to my goal of paying nothing.

So... what is this debate about? Democrats want me to pay less and Republicans want to decrease my taxes. How can there be an argument?

--Anthony


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama was all too eager to let the Bush tax cuts expire with the blessings of all fellow Democrats. People's paychecks would have gone down due to the new higher tax rate. Obama had to cave, the cuts stayed, and a Govt. shutdown was averted. Now it's a similar thing, but the roles are reversed.

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But the roles aren't reversed. The payroll tax HOLIDAY was always intended to be just that, a 1 year cut in the rate of $ withheld from paychecks to fund SSI. The Bush tax rates have been in place for years now, and were sold, initially to BE permanent. This wasn't.

The GOP should remind everyone that the $ being taken out now is an " investment " to their own SSI. They won't, of course, because then that would remind folks just what a scam SSI is, and the ponzi scheme it is, which takes from you now, on the promise it'll be there when you retire. It won't be, but we're not suppose to pay attention to that little lie, and Obama is well aware of all that.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Some would argue the Bush tax cuts were intended to expire as well. Also, tax cut...tax holiday... just political semantics for most. It's all the same to the average man and family. It's less money they have each week to pay bills and live. It's too hot a political football now, and it will just give Obama additional material to add to his campaign narrative. Romney and Gingrich ought to be screaming at Boehner to pull this together pronto.

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This tax " holiday " was always intended to end after 1 year. It's been 1 year, and now the holiday is over.

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Ah, so what is the rationale for extending the Bush tax cuts, which were EQUALLY finite, and were supposed to end after ten years?

To not want to extend the payroll tax cuts because they were intended to be finite, yet fight like hell to extend the Bush tax cuts, also intended to be finite, is the height of hypocrisy and has no justification whatsoever.

The only CONCEIVABLE explanation for trying to make that argument is that massive tax cuts to the wealthy are what is desired, while small tax cuts for everyone is unacceptable. Again: insanity. In this case, obvious, hypocritical insanity.

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