This just In...re: House of Representatives
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
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"there is NO limit to the amount of money govt wants to take from you. NONE."
Hello,
And therefore we should let the tax reduction expire?
Republicans shouldn't be arguing against an extension of the 'Holiday.' They should be arguing to double-down and make it permanent.
That they aren't making this argument... well, to me that's how you spell Hypocrite.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Yup, Anthony, right on. There is no way for them to show themselves as ANYTHING but what they are by these actions: Hypocrites of the first order who don't care if their hypocrisy is quite clear to all.
The twisted rationale expressed is pretty pathetic, and at this point there really is no way they can look anything BUT hypocritical...especially as the Senate came up with a WIDELY bypartisan agreement which would allow Congress to come back and have two months to iron out their differences. To just walk away is a HUGE "fuck you" to every working American, and there's no way they can pretend otherwise, ESPECIALLY as they say they supposedly "want" the full one-year cut!
All this does is illustrate very clearly just how far some will go to try and defend them, logic notwithstanding. To say the Bush cuts were "intended" to be permanent is bullshit; they agreed to the ten-year deadlin. Just because the Republicans' intentions were for it to be permanent means nothing; much as it appears otherwise the last ten years, Republicans don't run the WHOLE Congress.
There is NO limit to the amount of money Republicans wants to take from you to give to the rich. NONE
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"there is NO limit to the amount of money govt wants to take from you. NONE."
Hello,
And therefore we should let the tax reduction expire?
Republicans shouldn't be arguing against an extension of the 'Holiday.' They should be arguing to double-down and make it permanent.
That they aren't making this argument... well, to me that's how you spell Hypocrite.
--Anthony
2 problems with that idea, Anthony.
1. What they won't take out of your pay check, they'll get from you another way. As is the case here.
2. If you want to hasten the demise of the SSI, then say so. I'd applaud it if the GOP were man enough to say that's what they want, but it's nothing but a shell game. Give you more of your $ from your pay check , but take it from you somewhere else. We all still pay in the end, but by the govt's rules, not your own.
Oh, and Niki? There's nothing remotely twisted in my rationale, in the least. Them's the facts, as they are.
Wanna know another neat factoid ? The House ALREADY passed a bill for the full year extension of the 'holiday'. Don't hear much about that one though, huh?
Gee, I wonder why.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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"1. What they won't take out of your pay check, they'll get from you another way. As is the case here."
Hello,
So your argument is that reducing taxes is futile because the government will simply take your money elsewhere?
By that logic, we should never seek a reduction in tax for anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Which would leave the GOP without much of their foundation of existence.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"1. What they won't take out of your pay check, they'll get from you another way. As is the case here."
Hello,
So your argument is that reducing taxes is futile because the government will simply take your money elsewhere?
In this case, absolutely. It's nothing but a redistrubtion of wealth going on here. How you don't see that, I'm at a loss.
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By that logic, we should never seek a reduction in tax for anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Which would leave the GOP without much of their foundation of existence.
--Anthony
I'm not seeing the connection you're making . This govt is 15 + trillion dollars in debt. It's spending far too much of our money. It refuses to stop spending our money. The reason to cut taxes are to reign in the spending, and to allow for the people more use of their own money. This isn't what's going on here. This bill is deceptive in making us think we're getting more of our $ back, but then adds on an extra tax, on new home purchases.
The GOP has already passed for a full year of the tax holiday extension. Why the Senate didn't do this , you'll have to ask Harry Reid and the Democrats.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Hello,
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that the GOP would like very much to cut my taxes, but that their opposition is that an alternative means of revenue is being used to do so?
So their message is, "Yes, let's extend this Tax Holiday, but let's pay for it differently?"
Their message is not, then, "Let's end this Tax Holiday?"
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Getting rid of SSI would be a bad idea.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Getting rid of SSI would be a bad idea.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Hello,
What concerns you about the possibility of the program being dissolved?
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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That question seems incredibly silly to me and almost feels like it isn't worth giving my time to answer. Just think about it for a moment, think about my career/field of work. Think about how I'm someone who happens to have disabilities who believes that people need some help sometimes when getting work/keeping a job isn't easy for them due to various complications. Think about how I'm pro social programs. Think on it for a moment and then answer your own question. I know you're frustrated with me from the other thread, you can't understand where I'm coming from. I can't understand where you're coming from here. Lets call it even.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Hello,
My questions here do not relate to my concerns there. I am genuine in my curiosity.
My understanding about Social Security is that I pay into it now, and withdraw my investment later when I need it (and to the degree the government lets me.)
My understanding about Social Security is that the government is horrendously mismanaging my investment, taking money from the till to fund whatever fancies them.
My philosophy is not to use investment firms who pilfer my investment.
It occurs to me that I might make superior investments of my money if I was allowed to keep it.
Is my understanding of the system flawed, are you happy with the government's use of your investment, or are you doubtful that individuals could invest their money more wisely?
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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