Five Myths About Healthy Eating
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UPDATED: Monday, June 25, 2012 22:59
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Social trends are nothing more than individuals making choices, and falling in line w/ the collective group think. If those around you are a little chunky, then hey, why not... you'll fit right in if you have that extra big mac. Monkey see, monkey do. It's the individuals who choose to NOT follow the heard that 'stand out', and often get peer pressured into falling in line.
Or making choices that fall into line with collective group think. Either/either. They are trends and they have causes. I don't think you have to deal with one or the other. You can encourage people to make good individual choices and you can look at some of the wider factors that contribute and see what you can deal with there. It seems however, that you prefer to point the finger of blame at your favourite target groups, poor disenfranchised racial minorities.
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I found this amusing...Quote:
I am just responding to posts as I read them, so excuse me if I repeat what someone else says.
we are not mindless programable robots
You must be easily amused or i missed something or you missed something
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I have to admit that occasionally I see resturant commercials that make me want to eat what they're showing, yum, I love eating. My naturopath is telling me that I need to eat some protein every morning and something for lunch, plus snacks. That sounds tiring and annoying, I'm trying to do better at it but its annoying because I like eating one big meal a day, usually at dinner, and a few little snacks. If I don't eat in the morning I'm not hungry later. If I do eat in the morning, as I've discovered this week, I'm ravenously hungry all day and its really distracting and I don't like it. I'm going to get fat if I keep eating breakfast every day, even just a tiny bit of it. But she's annimant about it, errrrrgh. She's also expensive too, I don't know how long I'll be able to afford this naturopathic mental health thing, we'll see how it goes.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
I find the same. If I eat porridge for breakfast, I'm starving an hour later. It kick starts your metabolism. Lately I stick to having a veg/fruit juice for breakfast, and it tends to stifle my hunger. Not sure why.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: It seems however, that you prefer to point the finger of blame at your favourite target groups, poor disenfranchised racial minorities.
You see target groups, and 'minorities'.
I just see - people.
As Mal said, "We're all just folk ".
All of us.
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Coming into the discussion late, so this'll be long, as I'm responding as I read.Quote:
Bang on, Kiki! Heck, coming up with that on any given month is virtually impossible for US, unless we tap into savings, and we're not poor! I have a hard time conceiving of poor people having that much at any given moment to spend as they choose...especially given the number of kids living in poverty right NOW who go to bed hungry! It seems like a glaring blind spot to think poor people can put away ANYTHING to save up for a big purchase, especially these days.
There are all sorts of things you COULD do - to save time, and money, and effort - if only you could get ahead by a few hundred dollars here or there. But you are always right on the edge of going under. So you can't.
I'm glad you brought up the sodium thing, too, which often gets overlooked. Even if one can afford to feed one's family on frozen dinners, the amount of sodium in virtually ALL our frozen and packaged meals in America is incredible. So is the sugar content; Jo was astonished when she lived her that there seems to be sugar in virtually everything we eat. I guess it's different in England, but then THEY eat fat--literally, we'd make a roast and Jo would grab the fat immediately, and cooked everything in grease...she said in England they use LARD a lot more than we do, too! I know that's partly because it's a cold-weather climate and they've got generations of evolution to make them that way, but it made me have to turn away, given I generally use Pam or no oil at all!
Ah, Magons, thanx--everything you wrote is valid, and you gave me Jamie Oliver's name back. He was the one trying to deal with that obese family with the diabetic son. Apparently he's doing work over here now, too, and I've caught some of his stuff--like pouring all the ingredients into a big tarp so kids can see what actually goes in. I admire him and wish him all the luck in the world, but after what I saw with that one family, I hope he doesn't get too discouraged by us Yanks!Quote:
Absofrigginlootely!
what we see now is generational behaviour, which is hard to crack.
Because of high cholesterol and the resulting arteriosclerosis, Jim started making his own meals years ago. I gag at them, sometimes I call them "bean soup" and being a vegaphobic, I couldn't eat them, but after a couple of years we found that there were things he literally could NOT eat anymore. I'd make a dish I thought was fine, he'd try to eat it and had to give up fairly quickly, it was just what he called "too rich" for him. So obviously there's a metabolic change and it takes time; put that against the ease of fast foods, advertising, finances and other factors, and I think weaning our nation off it's epidemic obesity is damned hard.
My gawd, it's a 1% day for Raptor (where I'm concerned):Quote:
I absolutely agree. I disagree with Kiki; there is a lot of peer pressure among young people, and if the group is going out for pizza, for example, one of them has to be pretty self-assured to order a salad, or not go at all. I think he makes a very valid point.
Social trends are nothing more than individuals making choices, and falling in line w/ the collective group think. If those around you are a little chunky, then hey, why not... you'll fit right in if you have that extra big mac. Monkey see, monkey do. It's the individuals who choose to NOT follow the heard that 'stand out', and often get peer pressured into falling in line.
His experience may be different from yours, Byte, but that doesn't make it any less valid. MY experience was much more akin to his; I was mostly a loner, shy, and the victim of bullying and teasing. To be INVITED to go have pizza with other kids (high school, I'm talking about) was neat enough, I didn't care WHAT I actually ate! And I've been around a gr
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, my personal opinion is supported. I know, because I lived it.
Doesn't get more real than that.
While I agree that people DO have a choice in what they eat, if your experience is that people are peer pressured into becoming overweight, then your experience is very different from my experience.
Not my experience at all, actually. Quite the opposite. I guess my point is that it's easier for some to fall in line with accepted norms, than to step out on their own.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ah, Magons, thanx--everything you wrote is valid, and you gave me Jamie Oliver's name back. He was the one trying to deal with that obese family with the diabetic son. Apparently he's doing work over here now, too, and I've caught some of his stuff--like pouring all the ingredients into a big tarp so kids can see what actually goes in. I admire him and wish him all the luck in the world, but after what I saw with that one family, I hope he doesn't get too discouraged by us Yanks!Quote:
what we see now is generational behaviour, which is hard to crack.
The Brits behaviour was also hard to change. Behaviour change is just hard, but you have to admire his enthusiasm.Quote:
Because of high cholesterol and the resulting arteriosclerosis, Jim started making his own meals years ago. I gag at them, sometimes I call them "bean soup" and being a vegaphobic, I couldn't eat them, but after a couple of years we found that there were things he literally could NOT eat anymore. I'd make a dish I thought was fine, he'd try to eat it and had to give up fairly quickly, it was just what he called "too rich" for him. So obviously there's a metabolic change and it takes time; put that against the ease of fast foods, advertising, finances and other factors, and I think weaning our nation off it's epidemic obesity is damned hard.
A major issue is the training of taste buds to accept healthy food and to like it. Kids tastebuds are ruined early if they are exposed to a diet of sugary, fatty foods it becomes hard to change them into liking healthy foods. Another interesting piece of reality tv was a british made program called 'Eatoholics' where they'd find these very freaky people who'd would only eat white bread and chips, or some really unhealthy limited diet. They send a team of people in - dieticians, doctors, psychologists - to try and change the behaviour. Some of these people had never tried fresh fruit or veg in their lives. They would gag when they tried to eat something like a strawberry, what most of us would find delicious. They all had really underdeveloped palates and in particular complained about the textures of food they were unfamiliar with and sometimes literally could not swallow them. If you think about most junk food, it is quite soft. McDOnalds is almost texture free, it's like eating sponge. It took quite a lot to get them to develop their diets to incorporate healthy options and sometimes it didn't work, even though all of them had poor health predictions for the future (they were usually quite young). All of them seem to have a similar experience in that they had been fussy eaters as a child and their parents had given in for the sake of peace, but sometimes there were more complex psychological reasons.
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Quote:Oh please, you're the poster boy for the lock-step.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess my point is that it's easier for some to fall in line with accepted norms, than to step out on their own.
But your point is actually spot on.
The laughing Chrisisall
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"... the group is going out for pizza, for example, one of them has to be pretty self-assured to order a salad, or not go at all."
But a pizza here or there isn't going to wreck your overall nutrition. What counts is what you do day to day. For example, school lunches are notoriously bad nutrition, as are soda, snack and candy machines at school. Add to that a home environment of steady fast food, and is it no wonder that kids gain weight.
Among whites, peer pressure is to be thin - and girls will go to extreme lengths - even take up smoking, or purge, or stave - to meet peer pressure.
Among poor African Americans and Latinos, not so much. What we see is NOT that kids succumb to peer pressure to be heavy, it's that they don't struggle so hard against an environment that trends them that way. Between lack of safe space to get out and be active, abysmal school food, and a fast food and pre-packaged food home diet, it's no wonder that kids get heavy. It's not group think, it's an environment.
While Wall St. is going through the roof, Main St. is paying all the bills.
Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?
Yeah, me neither....
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Quote:Pizza is totally healthsome food, BTW. As long as the ingredients are good, and you add veggies to it.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But a pizza here or there isn't going to wreck your overall nutrition.
I think it's a time factor as well. Poor peeps just wanna eat & go to bed, not spend 1&1/2 hours cooking then washing endless dishes & going to bed late to get up early for their minimum wage job.
As a student in college my diet was mainly Kraft mac & cheese.
Fast, easy, filling.
Not very healthy though. No protein. No roughage. Dudes with a slower metabolism than mine got chunky.
The laughing Chrisisall
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