The President's Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Thursday, April 3, 2025 11:52
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer: The comparison of corporations to people is not "my" conceit, it is that of the right-wing.
No. Your conceit is in taking that statement to ridiculous extremes, and quite out of the context Gov. Romney used it in. Here's a more complete statement.
“I told them, corporations are people…Raising taxes on corporations is raising taxes on people.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64030.html
Do you realize that in this sense, corporations ARE people; the employees and the investors (and at one remove, the customers)?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:In that sense? Well, in your kind of sense governments are people too.
Do you realize that in this sense, corporations ARE people; the employees and the investors (and at one remove, the customers)?
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:In that sense? Well, in your kind of sense governments are people too.
Do you realize that in this sense, corporations ARE people; the employees and the investors (and at one remove, the customers)?
Well, yes. So are sports teams and churches and political parties and Girl Scout troops and even cooperatives. They all consist of people. They are MADE of people. They are all groups of people coming together to complete a given task, or reach a common goal, or earn a buck.
It should be obvious to just about anyone that Gov. Romney, in his full "Corporations are people" statement, means just this: that corporations consist of people - people who will have to pay in one way or another if corporate taxes are raised.
Your trying to conflate this idea with the idea that corporations should pay taxes in precisely the same way that individuals do is nonsense, and you know it. Would you have your beloved cooperatives pay taxes at the same rate?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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There is a mark difference between "are people" and "made up of people".
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
My reasoning is that if businesses are also people, they should be taxed like people.
They are. Businesses are taxed pretty much like any self-employed individual. They subtract expenses from gross income to arrive at taxable income. See an IRS Schedule C or Schedule F for the kinds of expenses they can deduct.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sc.pdf
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sf.pdf
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Wow, you had to excise the part of Sig's post that explained why they're not, just so you could say "Yes, they are".
Wow.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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I don't like corporations having personhood... Seems like it just makes it harder to litigate against them when they're in the wrong and it also gives them greater power than any individual to drown out dissenting opinions.
No one should have the kind of power they seem to have.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Nope. I just excised the portion that made no sense, just like in this post.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
There is a mark difference between "are people" and "made up of people".
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Really?
I've often heard pastors say "Our church is people". Do you think they meant that their church had corporate personhood, or that their church was the people who belonged to and supported it, rather than the bricks and mortar?
Besides, if you read the whole statement from Gov. Romney, instead of taking a snippet out of context (which I'm sure you'd never do), you can pretty much see he's referring to the same fact; that a corporation is the people who work for and invest in it, not the factory or office building.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Saying "Our church is people", which I would hope mean the church is made up of the people is still differnet that saying "the church is a person".
Put it this way, a group is different then an individual.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Sig, why increase govt. revenue when you already know that money is going to wars and bailouts?
The soc. sec and medicare come from direct taxes, and the roads, schools, etc. come from state. You know the feds are going to borrow as much money as they can anyway, to expand the wars and handouts to their friends, why give them more money?
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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