What's up with TARGET: EPA! ??
POSTED BY: pizmobeach
UPDATED: Friday, December 23, 2011 01:45
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I know DT is notorious for seeing conspiracies in things, not as bad as PN but well known for it nonetheless. I think that in this case he has had a lot of personal and familial experiences with this issue and, though I'm not a conspiratorialist about most things, I can understand what he means. Do I agree with all he says? No, but do I agree that he has a few good points, that fracking is super dangerous and that the government and corporations don't really care about the everyman? Yes. Do I always agree with DT? No, he has some rather extreme views on things that don't square with my experiences in life, but just because we don't agree on some things doesn't mean I can't understand where he's coming from and believe him, at least a decent chunk of the way, on this.
DT, you told me that story once.
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I UNQUESTIONABLY agreeQuote:
What's behind it is what I disagree with. With only one exception, I think I am the most pro-environmentalist here, and it would be pretty impossible to get me to disagree with how everything the EPA was created for is being screwed, trashed, and attacked by the right. It's that the logic of the reasons why oil companies and other corporations try to avoid restrictions that seems to me much more reasonable than that it's a global conspiracy bent on genocide.
that fracking is super dangerous and that the government and corporations don't really care about the everyman
Now, see, DT, I could have taken your story as a personal snark that I (and everyone else) should "shut up and listen" to the things you post...even see it as an attack or something. But I don't. While the intent MAY have been that, I see it as a good point, but one which doesn't apply to me. When you make a good, valid point, I agree with you--and you make quite a few. It's the ones that don't make sense with which I disagree.
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Mike, you left out Kelo vs. the City of New London, the 2005 supreme court case that ruled that any corporation could seize any private property for corporate use by supplying the govt. with a prospectus showing that this would increase profits, even if the information on the prospectus was false.
Niki,
It was aimed at Nick, and I didn't mean shut up and listen to me, I meant that it's a life lesson that Nick might want to apply. I watched him talk over everyone else for a month before even responding to him. I mostly interjected because he was talking over Byte, who is a geologist, and he was lecturing her on geology, which I think she knows a bit more about than he does. I sort of assume that Nick is a student or recent grad, 'cause he has the air of that newly appointed king of the world to him. Reminds me of my somewhat former self. I was top of my class, I learned a lot of things and suddenly I was smart and I wanted to tell the world about it. Someone shoulda clopped me on the head right proper.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I don't have to rely on the website, I know people in the EPA. Also, though the CFCs in question are labeled as carcinogens in your own link, I don't need to rely on govt. labeling, as I am in a scientific cancer research group.
Here is that thing about the internet, people can, and do claim to be things they are not. So you can spare me personal stories and your pedigree unless you can prove them.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Nick,
I believe you when you say that you are a pool inspector.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Nick,
I believe you when you say that you are a pool inspector.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
I'm glad it shows you are paying attention....oh wait!
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Hello,
I humbly submit that this thread has widely deviated from its purpose, and is no longer serving to deepen the wisdom of mankind, nor foster goodwill between fellow humans.
--Anthony
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Well, let us get back on track.
New York State is not waiting for the EPA and plans on impementing it's own regulations when it comes to Fracking.
http://www.propublica.org/article/new-york-environment-commissioner-ex
pects-little-from-epa-fracking-study/single
Perhaps the states are going to have to take a more active role in writing their own regulations and not rely on the EPA.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Quote:He's a total tool. The NY DEC is much more corrupt than the EPA. They want to pretend that they've taken every precaution, but they're really chanting drill baby drill. I was at an local govt. meeting on this last night, and there were about 100 people there, about 10 pro-drilling, and the rest anti. I couldn't confirm that any of the pro-drillers were actually from our town.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Well, let us get back on track.
New York State is not waiting for the EPA and plans on impementing it's own regulations when it comes to Fracking.
http://www.propublica.org/article/new-york-environment-commissioner-ex
pects-little-from-epa-fracking-study/single
Perhaps the states are going to have to take a more active role in writing their own regulations and not rely on the EPA.
Cuomo is another fracking pawn. I suspect it's going to take some more major action on our part.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
He's a total tool. The NY DEC is much more corrupt than the EPA. They want to pretend that they've taken every precaution, but they're really chanting drill baby drill. I was at an local govt. meeting on this last night, and there were about 100 people there, about 10 pro-drilling, and the rest anti. I couldn't confirm that any of the pro-drillers were actually from our town.
There you go again. You have to attack the science, the studies and not the men.
I by no means is pro-fracking, mainly because of the waste products after they come up from the wells. Accidents will happen. I don't see the fluids pumped into the ground as an issue with the ground water. There is no conclusive evidence of contamination from the fracking fluids. Finding contaminates in wells that they use in the fluids is not concrete proof that is where is came from. Hell I see those contaminated in Florida, where there is no fracking. Those chemicals have been used in other industries for some time.
So if you want action to work, you need solid scientific proof, or you will be easily ignored.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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