What's up with TARGET: EPA! ??

POSTED BY: pizmobeach
UPDATED: Friday, December 23, 2011 01:45
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It's pretty obvious if you flip through the news channels and read even a little MSM, that the people running the Rep party have decided that the EPA is a good common enemy to have for ALL candidates. I've heard almost all of the candidates use them in their stumps/sound bites as evil bad guys. The term "Regulation" is now synonymous with anti-America, and when I surf FOX (I can last about as long as I can hold my breath under water), they're doing segments on how bad the EPA is for job creation, etc.

How do all these people accept their marching orders? Who is giving them - obvious contender is Big Coal, but really? Candidates and Fox just line up and ask how high?

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EPA, Dept. of Education ( big union safe haven ) lead the way to for targets of reform in this country.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
EPA, Dept. of Education ( big union safe haven ) lead the way to for targets of reform in this country.

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Thx AU, but, eh? I didn't ask right maybe... there always seems to be the first screen of reasoning (the ones the candidates use on air) and then there's the REAL reason they are attacking something. The EPA is a Rep brainchild isn't it? Nixon? Are rep voters really expected to believe the EPA is bad for jobs? More like "bad for jobs" is a buzz phrase that the casual, unthinking voter will latch onto safely and clap along to. So who's pulling the strings and for what? I just can't believe Big Coal has that much pull with all the Rep. candidates and Fox, and if not them, then is it rep strategists? I don't get the angle.

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Nah, any and ALL businesses whose bottom line is affected by any kind of regulation, not just coal, is the answer (with the backing of the Kochs). Did you catch my thread on their latest battle with regulation? The right hates anything that gets in the way of profits...you know, like not polluting with their waste, paying the money to ensure oil rigs are safe, not being able to drill whereEVER they want to, minor stuff like that.

And yes, it was predicted a while ago that the EPA would be the next target. The Republicans you speak of were our daddy's Republicans. Just as today's Tea Party isn't Ron Paul's Tea Party, these right-wing, corporate shills aren't our daddy's Republicans. They figure they've got carte blanche to go as far right as they can possibly imagine (and beyond), and are gettin' it while the gettin's good.

Don't pay Raptor any attention; he doesn't join conversations or answer questions, he just spouts party line.


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Nah, any and ALL businesses whose bottom line is affected by any kind of regulation, not just coal, is the answer (with the backing of the Kochs). Did you catch my thread on their latest battle with regulation? The right hates anything that gets in the way of profits...you know, like not polluting with their waste, paying the money to ensure oil rigs are safe, not being able to drill whereEVER they want to, minor stuff like that.

And yes, it was predicted a while ago that the EPA would be the next target. The Republicans you speak of were our daddy's Republicans. Just as today's Tea Party isn't Ron Paul's Tea Party, these right-wing, corporate shills aren't our daddy's Republicans. They figure they've got carte blanche to go as far right as they can possibly imagine (and beyond), and are gettin' it while the gettin's good.

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I missed your thread - I'll definitely look for it. I guess I can't imagine how the Reps and their handlers (Kochs etc) think they can get away with such a self-serving message that serves so few >IN THIS DAY AND AGE< of easy access to so much information. Even the laziest, busiest voter can stumble upon contrary info. In the old days of newsprint, sure, that made sense. But now? It's so weak to see them try something so obvious, embarrassing even, that I almost can't believe that's it.

BTW - I welcome hearing what Auraptor has to say.

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Simple: Kill the people.

In order to kill the people, you need to poison the Earth. Merchants of Death have decided the EPA is in their way.

This isn't reform, this is about attacking America. It's terrorism, plain and simple. The fossil fuel industry is synthesizing one trillion gallons of chemical weapons which they are using to destroy the country and kill all the people. This is the agenda. There is no profit. No one makes money by pouring chemicals into the Earth here, it's extraneous to the industry. It serves one purpose: To kill Americans.

It's that simple. And effective. More effective than striking America with a nuclear weapon.

Already, more explosives have been dropped on America by this so called "industry" then were dropped on Iraq and Afghanistan. Now they've already hit the US with a million times the amount of chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein had, and I concede all of Rap's claims of Iraqi WMDs.

The BP oil "spill" was a test run of a chemical weapons attack on the USA by terrorists.

Auraptor,

I know which side I'm on, but which side are you on?

When mountaintop removal came up, IIRC, you were appalled. Now America is under the largest terrorist attack ever conceived. You appear to be siding with the terrorists. I don't think you hate America, but I have to ask: Do they not teach you anything about chemical warfare at military intelligence?

The purpose of getting rid of the EPA is not "reform" - that's idiotic.

The purpose is that the EPA is one of the forces defending America. The terrorists want to attack America. Ergo, they are disarming our defenses, just like they did in 9.11.

The problem is that the terrorists are cleverer than you think, and more insidious. Who they are isn't the issue, I don't know who they are. But how they operate is very simple:

They operate however they damn well can.

Any terrorist can declare themselves anything they want.

You can say "I'm an energy company" or "I'm a tea party candidate" even if you're nothing of the kind.

Do you really think America's enemies are so dumb that every time they attack they're going to say "I'm an Islamic Jihadist" ? - no, for real now, if you look into some of these attacks in the ME, a lot of these guys just said "I'm a jihadist" directly before attacking. Before that, who knows what they were.

Because people can relabel themselves however they want whenever they want. I can go over right now and relogon to FFF and set up an account as a right wing republican, or as a far left democrat, and start spouting whatever I want. If I have lots of resources, I can do the same on a much larger scale.

Your country is under attack and you are not defending it.


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Sounds outrageous but I know you are serious. So given that, are you saying that these candidates and FOX are knowing accomplices in this plan to kill Americans? Or just following orders?

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It IS outrageous, and the only "conspiracy" at work is the GOP and corporate interests. It's business interests, and the blatantly illegal actions under the "Bush EPA", not some kind of terrorist, responsible for the attack on the the Obama EPA. First off, the GOP has had it in their sights for decades, essentially since not long after it began. Secondly, regulations get in the way of making the most bucks the fastest and if you hadn't noticed, corporate interests are ALWAYS against regulation of any kind. Lastly, the Obama EPA is trying to undo illegal acts which went through the courts and were JUDGED illegal during the Bush Administration, which Bush delayed and ignored until he was out. Remember the kerfullfle of what the Bush EPA was doing when it came to BP? Extrapolate that throughout the EPA under Bush at that time.

Pundits were already saying it before it even began, that now that they'd started the "war" against abortion, unions, government workers, etc., the EPA would be next on their list. If you look back at Bush's Presidency, you'll see that they already made a "beachhead", a pretty good one at that The "Bush EPA" was unquestionably an oxymoron, and Obama is trying to undo the damage, as he is legally bound to, so of course the GOP is fighting:

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In April 2008, the Bush EPA released a 20-page spreadsheet [PDF] of 94 EPA rules or actions under just the Clean Air Act that had been challenged in court until that point during the Bush administration.

As of August 2011, 37 of those cases have been decided by a court, and in nearly two-thirds of those cases (23), the courts overturned the Bush EPA rules. (The remaining 57 cases have either settled, been voluntarily dismissed, voluntarily remanded, or are still pending in court.)

In 15 of those 23 adverse rulings, the courts found that the Bush EPA had contradicted or disregarded the plain language of the Clean Air Act. This is the worst way for EPA to lose a federal environmental lawsuit, because it reflects a court’s judgment that the agency defied the plain instructions of the law.

Public health and environmental groups were the prevailing parties in 18 of those 23 Clean Air Act rulings against the Bush EPA. These groups prevailed in 13 of the 15 “plain language” court decisions. EPA lost this startling number of Clean Air Act cases because the Bush administration had adopted unlawful regulations that benefited polluting industries at the expense of human health and the environment, despite unambiguous statutory directives requiring otherwise. This was truly out-of-control behavior.

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When the Obama administration took office in January 2009, it inherited the legal obligation to respond to court orders in not just these 23 Clean Air Act cases, but also in numerous other losing cases under other environmental statutes that EPA administers. The current administration inherited the responsibility to fix a decade-long mess consciously created by the Bush administration and industry supporters out of a shared ideological-economic agenda to violate environmental laws and weaken public health safeguards.

It is striking how thoroughly today’s fiercest EPA critics ignore this history and its implications. Conservative politicians like the House members quoted above, pundits like the Wall Street Journal editorial board, and industry lobbyists ignore this unprecedented wave of Bush administration lawbreaking that the Obama EPA now must rectify. http://www.grist.org/politics/2011-08-08-gop-attacks-the-epa-for-doing
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As long as Bush had control of the EPA, you didn't hear anything from them, as he was doing an excellent job of UNdoing everything the EPA stood for. Now that the Obama administration is trying to rectify those illegal acts, the GOP will fight them tooth and nail. Wanna hear what they have to say about it?

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