Population of the Firefly universe?

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BRUCEPLUTO

Monday, August 22, 2011 12:22 PM

Good morning fellow Browncoats!

I’ve been writing a little fan-fic lately and every time I do there are certain questions that pop up about the verse that just have me pondering the answers to. One is, has Joss ever written anywhere about the number of the masses of people that populate the Firefly universe?

Right here on earth it’s estimated that there are over 6 billion folk breathing the air of this little world. I would think that Joss’ space western would at least contain 60 billion? Has he ever produced a number in this regard? Just wondering.

BPZ

DJD

Monday, August 22, 2011 12:36 PM

In my view its likely to be a lot less than that. We have to consider how many people managed to leave earth that was to trek to the new system. Likely to have been tens of thousands rather than millions? Then they've not had that long to breed up the numbers of the population. I'd imagine we're talking about a lot of sparsely populated worlds on the whole?

CYBERSNARK

Monday, August 22, 2011 1:49 PM

Earth is expected to top 7 billion this year, FWIW.

And never underestimate the human ability to spawn entire litters.

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GWEK

Monday, August 22, 2011 2:16 PM

I would guess the population would be somewhere between 1 and 3 billion. Factoring in what DJD said about starting with a low "seed" population, there are "dozens of planets" and "hundreds of worlds" (been a while, but I think the number is 70+ planets, and 200 or 300 moons).

But don't think they're populated like modern day earth. The vast majority of them seem to have sparse settlers' populations (of a few hundred, a few thousand, even tens of thousands times a few hundred isn't a lot, relatively speaking).

The Core Worlds clearly have higher population density, but there is nothing to indicate overcrowding (on the Core Worlds, anyway), so they may also have relatively low population (indeed, population control may be an intentional Alliance/Blue Sun tactic). The Alliance worlds have a high education rate, and with higher education typically, historically, comes a lower birth rate.

Consider, finally, Miranda, which is basically a Core World out on the rim. I believe they say it has a population in the millions, primarily clustered in a half dozen to a dozen cities. Unlike the real world, I'd wager that on most Alliance-controlled worlds, once you get outside the city, there's not much life.

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PENNAUSAMIKE

Monday, August 22, 2011 2:24 PM

According to the "Map of the 'Verse", the 2520 census pegs the population of the 'verse at 49.95 billion.

The "Map of the 'Verse" is an invaluable reference for fanfic writers, giving all the planets, moons and their locations.

Mike

PENNAUSAMIKE

Monday, August 22, 2011 2:32 PM

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Originally posted by pennausamike:
According to the "Map of the 'Verse", the 2520 census pegs the population of the 'verse at 49.95 billion.

The "Map of the 'Verse" is an invaluable reference for fanfic writers, giving all the planets, moons and their locations.

Mike

Looking at the map,
the White Sun Core has a population of 39.5 billion,
the Red Sun has a population of 3.5 billion,
the Kalidaza system has a population of 932 million,
the Georgia system has a population of 6 billion,
and the Blue Sun system has a population of 18 million.

So just like the Old West, population pressure had a role in pushing settlers to the Rim.

Mike

GWEK

Monday, August 22, 2011 2:39 PM

Well, Crikey! I stand very corrected! :)

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

DJD

Monday, August 22, 2011 2:42 PM

Should have checked....

There must have been some mighty big transport ships leaving Earth!

BRUCEPLUTO

Monday, August 22, 2011 4:52 PM

Thanks for the info Mike!

And I agree with Cybersnark…..

Stands to reason that the verse’s population would well exceed what we’re looking at now here on this planet. If there is one thing that humans are good at, it’s making more humans. Ask your resident alien about that.

IMHO watching the television series, the planets and moons our small group of Firefly transport buddies land on are quiet numerous. This tells me that there is likely a rather large host of humanoids living on each world that Serenity visits. Even if that world seems void and unpopulated at the spot the space craft lands.

Wouldn’t seem worth the parliaments effort to start up terraforming if there were only going to be ten people roaming around the territory. A self sustaining population would have to number in the millions, or at least the high thousands.

I would grant to say that the core worlds have become over populated and the trick is to have folk venture out to the border and rim worlds by advertising a life with meaning (and hard work). Your average joe will not leave the comfort of a civilized community if not given the idea of a golden carrot waiting somewhere out on a deserted moon.

60 million was just a number that I pulled out of my …….hat. This tells me that every human element is under study. Since WW2 the agenda is to find out why people think the way they do, how they will react under certain circumstances, and what can be done to control them, can you say “ Blue Sun”?

Joss knows this and it is how he wrote Firefly…...any opinions?

BPZ

DJD

Monday, August 22, 2011 6:10 PM

Well, its fiction and I'm not going to get too hung up on it but it would require a fairly massive seed population for the population to be that high in a mere 500 or so years from now. Maybe they transported genetic material rather than actual people and just grew a few million in tanks when they got there?? Several million people traveling at sub light speeds for hundreds of years.... Hey, it's like science fiction!

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