Scenes you didn't understand
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UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2012 23:52
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I used to think that, that she really was right in front of Simon and Kaylee etc.
Everybody seems to be forgetting that the people she watches do turn around and talk to her (apart from Wash and Zoe who are otherwise occupied). River seems to hear their innermost thoughts, but maybe they're actually saying "Howdee, River, how are you this fine mornin'" I'm also guessing that River would be pretty good at sneaking up on people without them noticing.
...but that's still a bit literal-minded. What I see is a glimpse into River's personal "augmented reality" as she thinks about her relationships with the crew. I don't think River knows, or cares, what is real and what is in her head at this point, so why should we?
Also, I think it was established later in this episode that Jayne keeps his guns behind a blanket taped to the wall above his bed.
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If she didn't get that gun from somewhere misplaced then we've got to get better locks on the bunks, pure and simple, this isn't a luxury, this is a necessity and will make everything safer for everyone.
I don't know the answer to that one Byte, that's why I tossed it out there for others to look at and see what they think.
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
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Okay, building off of that I have a question. At the end of OIS when River says she'll be Jubal Early's bounty, is she serious, or is that still part of her plan to trick him? Most people think it was still part of her plan, that she wouldn't have gone with him, that when River is this lucid she's got a solid plan and that it all fits together. But I don't know what I think. All I know is that my heart breaks for her in that scene, I don't want her to feel unloved and unwanted. Thoughts?
I personally think it's part of the plan but it is also said as a way to get the crew's attention. It allows River to highlight her alienation from the group by being so extreme as to say she'll gladly be Jubal Early's bounty. It's a shocking remark for the crew to hear, and they immediately become aware of the way they have been 'overlooking' River as a person.
I think unloved is probably right. River is for much of the show regarded as an oddity. The crew are protective of her but at the same time that doesn't automatically equate with love. And I think it's love that River is most in need off. This episode more than any other illustrates how removed River is from the rest of the crew.
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It bothers me how often River isn't present during crew interactions. Simon keeps her alone too often in my opinion, I don't know what she's always doing, sleeping maybe? I think its important for her to be where everyone else is and as much part of things as possible, that way she feels included and more fulfilled and involved. Besides if she's with us then we aren't wondering where she is and what she might be doing.
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Originally posted by ImNotHere:
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Also, I think it was established later in this episode that Jayne keeps his guns behind a blanket taped to the wall above his bed.
This would add credence to Jubal's remark asking Simon if she share's a bunk with any of the crew... Could be she got the gun from Jayne when she paid him a visit...?
*stir, stir*
hmmm
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
It bothers me how often River isn't present during crew interactions. Simon keeps her alone too often in my opinion, I don't know what she's always doing, sleeping maybe? I think its important for her to be where everyone else is and as much part of things as possible, that way she feels included and more fulfilled and involved. Besides if she's with us then we aren't wondering where she is and what she might be doing.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
I think we also have to be mindful that River is a teen. So maybe prone to outbursts of emotional hyperbole. (At least as a vehicle for the writers to conjure conflict)
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Could be she got the gun from Jayne when she paid him a visit...?
Ain't gonna happen.
First, Jayne does have some principles. Probably along the lines of "I'd take advantage of a woman if she was comin' on to me, or if I thought she might come on to me, or if I was payin', but take advantage of a teenage girl who ain't right in the head? When did that get fun?"
Second, he's smart enough to know that if he took advantage of River (1) Mal would pound him to a greasy smear on the deck; (2) Wash would make sardonic comments while Zoe pounded him to a greasy smear on the deck (3) Shepard "kneecaps" Book would absolve him of his shins (sorry... sins... easy mistake... I'm sure they'll grow back...); (4) Inara would make earrings out of his gonads (5) His chance of sleeping with Kaylee would reduce from zero to (hmmm... carry the zero) less than zero and (6) after all that, Simon would stay true to his Hippocratic oath and treat his wounds (while apologizing profusely for the inexplicable shortage of sharp scalpels and anesthetic).
Plus River could kill him with her brain (what he doesn't know at this point is that she could also pound him to a greasy smear on the deck).
No, I think that comment was just Early being screwed up.
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I agree that the comment was just Early being gross, though to be fair Early doesn't know River is touched, so maybe Early doesn't even know how inapropriate it would be. He does know though that River is 17 though, but you'd be surprised how many people don't see that as an obsticle.
Death To Rayne.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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I'mnothere.
I'm not saying they did anything or even that Jayne was present to accpet the visit, but that a visit was paid....
But I would suggest this. In writing a TV show very few remarks are thown in without some reasoning behind it.
Could be at a later date Joss had plans for these two and this was but one of the seeds he'd planted. We'll never know of course and it's purely conjecture on my part.
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Quote:Why is Early asking rude questions about River's sex life? Because the lowest of the low, in Early's estimation, are uncaring or unrefined about who sleeps with who. ( Maybe he got that idea about the lower class from watching True Blood. Those people are trashy.)
Originally posted by RionaEire:
I agree that the comment was just Early being gross, though to be fair Early doesn't know River is touched, so maybe Early doesn't even know how inappropriate it would be. He does know though that River is 17 though, but you'd be surprised how many people don't see that as an obstacle.
Death To Rayne.
Early was beating, threatening, assaulting a ship full of riffraff, in his opinion. That's why he's a bounty-hunter, because it is a profession where there is an endless supply of nobodies deserving whatever punishments he feels most exciting at the moment. ( Early could have been a bad cop, but being at the bottom of a hierarchy doesn't feel right to him – he's a King, a lion.)
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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