Scenes you didn't understand
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UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2012 23:52
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Ooh, now that's a possibility. Even if the lockers were, well, locked, River would automatically know the combination. There isn't anything that she couldn't get into.
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All they have to do is get some fingerprint recognition locks for the lockers, I'm sure such technology would exist in 2517, you just set it up to only recognize certain fingerprints and check it occasionally to make sure the program hasn't been somehow altered. Or have keys that people keep in their bunks and have locks that use voice recognition to open. Come to think of it they could use voice recognition locks on the lockers. All I'm saying is that we can indeed have a ship that is safe for River and safe for everyone else too, it just takes some thinking outside of the box. They need some new ideas since the current plans weren't working so well come OIS. But it can be mannaged.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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I believe River (physical River) was walking around the ship.
The crew ignoring her or not being aware she was there was the design of the episode to compound her sense of not being part of the crew. It's like a visual soliloquoy. Basically it's River saying:
Look I can pass around these people, hear their conversations (in the flesh) yet I'm not a affecting the dynamic. It's like I don't exist...
The way it's filmed is to imply she is just floating around as though she isn't there, but she in fact is. Which becomes all the more apparent when an object (in Space) such as Jaynes gun finds it's self in here very dangerous hands. That object the crew do take notice of, but not River. That (I thought) was the point of the episode.
I also think Jayne would not leave his guns lying around.
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
All they have to do is get some fingerprint recognition locks for the lockers, I'm sure such technology would exist in 2517, you just set it up to only recognize certain fingerprints and check it occasionally to make sure the program hasn't been somehow altered. Or have keys that people keep in their bunks and have locks that use voice recognition to open. Come to think of it they could use voice recognition locks on the lockers. All I'm saying is that we can indeed have a ship that is safe for River and safe for everyone else too, it just takes some thinking outside of the box. They need some new ideas since the current plans weren't working so well come OIS. But it can be mannaged.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
I can see your point on the locks, but we are talking about a ship that worries about running out of food.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I believe River (physical River) was walking around the ship.
The crew ignoring her or not being aware she was there was the design of the episode to compound her sense of not being part of the crew. It's like a visual soliloquoy. Basically it's River saying:
Look I can pass around these people, hear their conversations (in the flesh) yet I'm not a affecting the dynamic. It's like I don't exist...
The way it's filmed is to imply she is just floating around as though she isn't there, but she in fact is. Which becomes all the more apparent when an object (in Space) such as Jaynes gun finds it's self in here very dangerous hands. That object the crew do take notice of, but not River. That (I thought) was the point of the episode.
I also think Jayne would not leave his guns lying around.
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I can see everyone ignoring her except for the Captain and Inara. I guess the argument could be made that they did not see her.
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Damn double posts!
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I used to think that, that she really was right in front of Simon and Kaylee etc. but then I thought how weird it would be if Simon didn't even talk to her, what kind of crummy caregiver is that? Yes we all know Simon has a lot to learn about how to best look after River, but he loves her very much and I doubt that even the distraction of Kaylee would keep him busy enough not to notice her. Your point about how they only notice the "object" and not River makes sense, but the logistics of it are such that Simon would have said something to her, that's what I think. If Joss had meant it as the symbolic meaning you suggest then he wasn't thinking about Simon's caregiver instincts, which aren't perfect, but his heart is in the right place and he always talks to River when she's there in front of him.
As for the monitary concerns, I know what you mean M52, but this is realllllly important so we need to start saving up for, or rigging up, such devices so everyone can be safe and free to wander and enjoy the ship.
Yes I know I'm heavily biased here, but I doubt too many people come at this situation with my same angle.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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RionaEire wrote:
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I used to think that, that she really was right in front of Simon and Kaylee etc. but then I thought how weird it would be if Simon didn't even talk to her, what kind of crummy caregiver is that?
Simon treats River as a patient and a sister, but is less inclined to engage with her when he wants casual conversation... For this, Kaylee takes precedence. That is the purpose of that scene. When he isn't preoccupied with River he's able to laugh and relax and be himself. River is witness to that and that further alienates her from the crew; the crew that is more and more becoming a family unit. (But she must witness it for her to realise this)
RionaEire wrote:
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If Joss had meant it as the symbolic meaning you suggest then he wasn't thinking about Simon's caregiver instincts, which aren't perfect, but his heart is in the right place and he always talks to River when she's there in front of him.
Joss was thinking about those instincts but this episode is about River seeing (literally) our crew outside of their regular roles, and realising that she doesn't belong. Each member of the crew are partnered up for this moment of realisation, and she has to have been there (physically) to conclude that the crew would all be happier if she weren't there. And thus comes the rationalé that she should be Jubal Early's bounty.
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Okay, building off of that I have a question. At the end of OIS when River says she'll be Jubal Early's bounty, is she serious, or is that still part of her plan to trick him? Most people think it was still part of her plan, that she wouldn't have gone with him, that when River is this lucid she's got a solid plan and that it all fits together. But I don't know what I think. All I know is that my heart breaks for her in that scene, I don't want her to feel unloved and unwanted. Thoughts?
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Very possibly both. I could see her hurting and saying that, she's having to deal with the changes that were done to her and that's bound to lead to some depression. Perhaps she's venting some of her real worries and feelings at the moment, but it also happens to make her performance convincing for her trick.
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