Did Bush lie? It doesn't matter any more.
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 18:35
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That's right. It's no longer a matter of any significance. The fanatics on both sides are never going to change their minds, and us folk in the middle are so tired of seeing that poor dead horse get beat that we don't care much anymore. Maybe somewhere down the road there'll be an impeachment or and exoneration, and we'll read about it in the paper.
So you pro and anti guys go ahead and prepare for the crucifiction, or canonization, or whatever, and the rest of us will worry about stuff that can actually be resolved.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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He's a politician. Of course he lied.
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Originally posted by Arodin:
He's a politician. Of course he lied.
But it doesn't matter.
+1 for the anti side.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Except that we have quite a few soldiers still being shot at. I'm sure they'd take issue with your apathy and attitude that situations should just resolve themselves, or that what's going on is "no longer a matter of any significance".
Pardon me, but I'll continue to care. And I'll continue to talk (or argue) with others that do.
Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction
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I quite frankly don't care if they lie to me about getting a blow job, but when it comes to those trivial issues of war and terrorism then I mind very much!
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Originally posted by Radhil:
Except that we have quite a few soldiers still being shot at. I'm sure they'd take issue with your apathy and attitude that situations should just resolve themselves, or that what's going on is "no longer a matter of any significance".
Pardon me, but I'll continue to care. And I'll continue to talk (or argue) with others that do.
Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction
I'm concerned with our soldiers being shot at. I'm concerned with what's going to happen to Iraq in the next few years. Please explain to me how determining whether Bush lied or not is going to change one iota of what is going on in Iraq today.
As far as I can tell, all the "Bush Lied", or "There really were WMD", or "It's all about the oil", or "Saddam supported Terror" is just an excuse for folks to keep rehashing the same old comfortable arguments rather than actually trying to figure out solutions for the things that are happening right now.
I would suspect the neither the Marine getting ready to attack Najaf nor the Sadr militiaman hiding in the Valley of Peace cemetery have Bush's honesty or lack thereof foremost on their minds right now. I am also more concerned about how we'll stop them killing each other than with something that may have happened a year ago.
As a matter of fact, I consider you the apathetic one. You'd rather live in the past and stay in that comfortable globe of "Bush Lied" self-righteousness than discuss something that actually means anything.
edit: +2 anti
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Now if everyone would throw their own personal ideologies away for a second and just look at the facts they would see the honest truth. Bush didn't lie, he was mislead. He had the United Nations, Bill Clinton, Vladimir Putin, George Tenet's CIA, and even the odd behavior of Saddam Hussein telling him that there were WMDs. After so much pressure, he had to believe that Iraq was an imminent threat.
Don't get me wrong. I think going into Iraq, at least the way we did, was a big mistake and I'm pissed off at Bush. But not for lying, instead for quite frankly being gullible.
John Kerry has recently said he still would have voted to go to war with Iraq in October of 2002 even if he knew everything he knows now. That in itself shows Kerry's either a panderer or even more gullible than Bush.
By the way, Al Qaeda probable salivates at the idea of a Nader presidency. He's the worst of three evils.
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As a matter of fact, I consider you the apathetic one. You'd rather live in the past and stay in that comfortable globe of "Bush Lied" self-righteousness than discuss something that actually means anything.
Now - ignoring the insult, 'cause we can trade 'em all day - that's a far better and far more interesting statement than the one you opened with. And I'd agree, it's a topic well worthy of discussion.
The reason the "Bush Lied" and every other muckraking topic gets bandied about so often and the reason people are stuck on it is because the only things (generally speaking) us little folk can directly do is shake up the administration. Toss a bowling ball into the election, and hope the new pinheads do better. The ultimate point of all the bashing from one side or another is realy just that.
I'm a practical guy. I'd prefer some other discussion with less straw men and less fanatics. It's politics that forces me to be political. Ain't irony grand....
To be honest, I don't think I've seen a serious discussion of how to fix our current problems. Either on fan board or politico comments or even from the supposedly serious campaigns. That's the only reason I haven't participated in one yet.
But if you'd like to lead, feel free. I'll follow. What're your ideas? Let's hash 'em out.
(am I still apathetic now?
)EDIT - Anti minus one.
Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction
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Yeah, like Radhill said about the pinheads.
It's not JUST a case of looking back, it's also a case of trying to prevent the same thing from happening again... like in Iran maybe.
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I think the secret to why you don't see any reasonable discussion of what to do about Iraq is that most people at bottom know perfectly well that there is no workable solution. Going in there solved one problem and created 300 more. And really, I don't think America went to war in Iraq to solve anything. We certainly didn't go to war in Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a bad man. That rationale popped up months after Iraq was well in our crosshairs. That's what you call "a pretext." He'd been a bad man for years and years and years. We (not Bush--I frankly don't know why he went to war, but we, the people of America) went to war in Iraq because we lost 3000 people in one morning and Afghanistan didn't satisfy our revenge. It's pretty simple.
The Iraqi people are screwed, maybe a little less screwed at the moment than they were a year ago, but screwed nonetheless. And things will be getting much worse before they get better. Particularly if Bush wins the election and we destroy another country or two in the area.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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