Christian Fundamentalists and the Rise of the Radical Right

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KWICKO

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:12 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
cut and paste is not a response.

No matter how many paragraphs you copy, you've still lost the argument.

Screaming "I win! You lose!" is not a response, either.

Of course the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were religiously motivated. Bush DID call the war on terror "a crusade", remember. You can try to deny that all you'd like, but he used just those words to describe his mission.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:16 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
MD ,

You're just pissed off , ashamed and embarrassed that you can't hold your own in this 'debate', and it shows. The childish insults, the dismissive tone...

Why don't you go toe to toe w/ me on this, and we can count how many mass killings have been done in the name of Allah, vs those done in the name of Jesus.

Ready ? Let's go. I'll start...

Beslan school massacre - Russia.

Your turn.

Hitler. Roman Catholic.

McVeigh. Roman Catholic.

Rev. Jim Jones. Christian.

Your turn.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:24 AM

Hitler didn't kill in the name of Jesus. That's been shown and explained 10,000 x's over.

McVeigh had no religious motives, so again, you fail.

Rev Jones only killed his followers,( many of which he made drink at the point of a gun ) those who willingly followed him. And then he killed himself. Completely different issue.

Muslim terrorists get others to kill for the cause, while staying comfortably alive ( Osama bin Laden ) while watching porn and being comforted by his many wives.

Swing and a miss, 3 x's. Go take a seat, sonny.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:32 AM

Of course Hitler killed in the name of Jesus. He was a Christian with a hard-on for scapegoating Jews. It doesn't get much more religiously-motivated than that.

McVeigh was also a Christian. Born that way, died that way.

Jones as well.

You're very quick to "forgive" any sin committed by a Christian, aren't you?

Odd that you'd call yourself an atheist, because you really suck at it.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:36 AM

Muslim bad. Christian good. Woof.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:38 AM

Hitler wasn't fighting for Christianity, so that's a non issue.

Prove McVeigh was a Christian. Prove he killed in the name of Jesus.

Jones was an ego maniac. A deluded cult member. They basically killed themselves, and weren't in the terrorism business. Same as the Heaven's Gate cult. Same difference.

You're 0-3, but being O for anything in your life, must be pretty common place.

How does me being an atheist have anything to do w/ the conversation? I'm dealing in hard facts. You're ( again ) trying to segue away from the issue.

Last chance. Back up your claims, or admit you're flat out wrong, and move on.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:42 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Muslim bad. Christian good. Woof.

Remember Beslan...

WTC

Mumbai

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:42 AM

Here ya go. Just a taste:

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"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

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Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

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The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

You can say he wasn't a very GOOD Christian, but you cannot argue that he wasn't a Christian.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:13 AM

Picturethink doublegoodspeak

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 AM

Magon's: I said I felt that the article got more reasonable towards the end, which were the parts you quoted to Happy. Its almost like someone started the article and then someone came along and said to them that it was too slanted so they tried to improve as they went but didn't go back and tone down the beginning. that being said people have the right to write what they want with their own opinion, even if I don't find it reasonable.

Magon's again: Yeah there are some weird things in the Old Testiment, I'm not going to pretend there aren't. I'm just glad that Jesus came along and helped us out and thus we don't have to do those "lets kill everyone for everything they do wrong" things now. I just know that I'm glad I don't live in the Old Testiment world, I'd not like to live in a society with all those rules. I see a difference between rules in the Old Testiment and how things work in the New. But I certainly don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, I believe that there are some important things in the Old Testiment about history and knowledge and things that we can still apply, I'm just glad we're done with all that killing people all the time stuff.

Raptor: I agree with you that currently we see more Islamic extremists out there causing blatent terroristic havoc. But people claiming to be Christians caused such havoc in the past and we can't deny that. But in terms of the last 50 years I agree with you.

Quicko, I believe that someone needs to choose their own beliefs, I don't believe that they are born into it, though they can certainly be born into a culture of a belief. The only exception to this that I know of is being Jewish, because it seems to be as much a culture/birthright as a religeon, both aspects play into one's identity as being Jewish.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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