How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:23
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Bytemite does have some really good points.
Terran57
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Originally posted by SkyDiveLife:
Bytemite,
You wrote: "Homeschooled kids don't get exercise? And, what, sitting at a desk you do? From kindergarten to workforce to grave, people are spending most of their time SITTING nowadays, with major effects on health, fitness, and stress levels."
I have this somewhat, unorthodox, idea.
Desks, where you have to stand. Hemmingway, it is reported, never wrote/typed while sitting.
He always stood to do so.
The desks themselves, could be adjusted for children of differing heights.
I know it seems a little strange, but it might help.
I got some crap at work for not being at my computer enough (because I actually have physical WORK to do for most of my day, go figure!). So I moved my computer to my main shipping table, where I can do everything I need to do without sitting down. Given the issues I have with my back, the less sitting I can do, the better.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by Niki2:Quote:Made me smile, Magons, given that the things you listed are virtually EXACTLY what Republicans want to cut from the budget lately. Everything from "courts" on is pretty much state or county, but the government is cutting so much from the national budget that states/counties/cities are having to cut THEM, too.
roads and maintanance, hospitals and medical treatment, welfare payments, mental health services, schools, subsidising tertiary education, courts, police, child protection services, rubbish removal
We gotta laugh, or we'd cry... We'll cry anyway, down the line, as these things get less and less funding.
Yup. Conservatives always play the same game. NPR does something stupid, you MUST agree to cut NPR's funding.
Military does something stupid? Why, we have to INCREASE their funding, so they don't have to do that again!
The "conservatives" lied us into these wars, and now want to cut every other program EXCEPT the war machine in order to punish us for their gigantic fuckup.
It's the Republican way.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
In the end, people like Nix argue to be peasants.
Her and their ilk, WANT to be ruled by an "elite".
I just can't stomach it.
Whereas you and your ilk just want to BE that ruling "elite".
You've stated before how "glorious" you think it is when "the adults are in charge."
So it's clear from your own words that you absolutely don't mind the idea of SOMEONE being in charge of you.
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Terran, are you a fellow Texan?
If so, what part? I'm an Austinite now, but grew up mostly in West Texas (San Angelo), when I wasn't living on military bases all over the world.
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Wow, lotsa posts...
KPO ?
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Hmm, well I'll start by saying law enforcement. If I wanted someone to come to my house to catch a home invader, or to solve the murder or rape of a family member, I'd presumably have to pay a private company? The inevitable result of this seems to me to be that the rich would get a better standard of justice and protection than the poor...
Not sure that'd be universally the case - see, in this little neck of the woods you got me and mine, who are in fact cheaper than the official enforcers of the law, and more efficient and well behaved also.
Of course, you'd still want at least a minimum of the boys in blue, as reinforcement/cavalry (me and mine aren't so well armed as that, with the exception of myself) in case of need, and to carry the bad guys off downtown to central booking, cause hell if I wanna do that, right ?
I do take your point, but at least with private/contract you have much greater accountability, even if you do have to vet them a little better and shop around for the best deal - best of both worlds would be a minimum of each for the parts of the work they're most suited for, but police tend to be assholes about it and non-cooperative with local security as a general rule, alas.
In relation to Hardwares merry little list - it's even worse than that, shit, go to th GAO and pull up some of the budget items, like several million to fund foreign militaries of countries (other than Israel, and lets NOT go there right now, yes?) that we don't even have treaties with... several million which could do US some good!
I could prolly go through that mess with a chainsaw and not do an ounce of harm to the general public or services rendered unto - plus a lot of those should be localized anyways, look at how Stadium Bridge in my own region suffered from sending infrastructure funds to D.C. and them making decisions without any knowledge of the local situation till big chunks of concrete were falling out the bottom of the damn thing and Dingell the Dingbat had to go up there in person, hat in hand all but begging for some of our own money back to fix it before it collapsed completely!
Byte ?
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This is why I like small, and local. Plenty of ways that you can organize within a small local business without creating a monster that can shrug off local economics, incentives, or public outcry.
There's also my sand-castle-architecture trick of temporary heirarchy, which works well - that and avoidance of any affiliation with TSA/DepHomeSec or the local law, cause it's too damn easy to be co-opted, and the example of those poor bastards who ran off to the TSA for more money and then came crawling back after they realized what they'd have to DO to get it, is gonna last a while, cause I wouldn't re-hire not bloody one of the untrustworthy, treacherous, greedy bastards and blackballed em besides.
(not that I had to, cause once you've taken TSA's money and then balked at their orders, you're FINISHED in this bizness anyhow.)
Also, the home-school vs public school argument goes on and on, and did no one even SEE or READ what FreeSchool/Sudbury Schools *ARE*, cause it takes the best of both worlds, and has been functionally proven out in a real world environment, yanno!
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Oh, I've always thought the Sudbury model was a good idea. It's just some people are going to end up homeschooling for whatever reason, and while I may not like it if that reason is religious, I'll stand up for parents and kids being able to make that decision so long as there's not crime or abuse.
That's really the only argument I want to make for homeschooling.
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Originally posted by SkyDiveLife:
Terran57, I would remind you of this,
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.
Hilarious....just cause you are new....
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TERRAN:
I looked back through your posts and found this
Quote:Agreed, especially about the "survival of the human species".
The bottom line of the first is we need progressives if we are ever to reach a level 1 civilization, but we need moderates to counter an abuse of power. Conservetives either like Falwell or bin Laden, can retard civilzations advance.... we as a civilization and possibly species will die and all our learning and blood spilled will be in vain. Science costs big $$$, so does education and taking care of our elders. The one thing we don't need or want is war which is counter-productive. Bush spent a trillion $ on Iraq. About the same (actually less) as the stimulus. That money could have done much more here at home that sprawled out over the desert. As a strong states rights advocate and a fomer part of the shovel brigade, I encorage you to seek a middle ground and squell the spammer Wulf, who only is trying to piss people off rather than debate. Also, isn't this site about Firefly? Comparisons to the Alliance and Browncoats I understand, but this Wulf guy is just another Rush trying to piss off anybody that disagrees with him... The next 100 years will be pivitol to the survival of the human species and all he is concerned with is the next election cycle. Moderation is the key..
So, help me place "agree with them" in context.
Thank you kindly.
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Originally posted by Hardware:
This came from the US government's own website. I copied and pasted into a Word document. If they have it listed twice on two separate pages, then errors definitely could occur.
So the bad results aren't malicious, they're results of carelessness or laziness.
The thing is padded like the bibliography of a 9th Grader's term paper-- I've already cited 2 examples: blank lines between each entry, and separate lines for the department name on each item, even if the previous line was the same dep't.
I copied your post into Notepad ( 167,000 bytes), then whacked all the blank lines ( 163,000 bytes but almost 1/3 less lines) then whacked all the double Department headings ( sometimes 30 entries from the same department in a row, each getting 3 lines.)-- ( 161,000 bytes, and I won't guess how many pages saved.
I'm a little bit obsessed by it right now, and gonna go back and group stuff efficiently like all the UDSA under one heading, all the HHS under 1, etc, see how much the document can be reduced. I'll let ya know.
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