How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:23
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Terran, I see the board is glitching out on you and eating your responses. try going to http://beta.fireflyfans.net/main.aspx
Though word of warning, there's a glitch over there now too that keeps you from being able to edit after you've posted. But you can always get around that by going back over to the main site.
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Originally posted by SkyDiveLife:
Terran57, I would remind you of this,
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.
I pointed out a few years ago right here on this very site that yelling "Godwin" in a post is the new Godwin. Given enough time and posts, someone absolutely WILL claim that someone else has Godwinned the post, whether they have or not. I got called for Godinning a post for mentioning fascism, so Godwin's not just for Nazis anymore, it seems...
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by SkyDiveLife:
I don't know anyone here enough to defend them, so Wulf is on his own.
I agree that Bush was wrong, in that he used the attacks to take away our freedoms, and create a SS-style "Homeland Security".
But I havn't seen President Obama reverse these things.
And there's the rub. That's the problem with ever giving ANYONE these kinds of power in the first place, because they are NEVER going to just give them back once they've decided the "threat" has passed.
We are now in a perpetual state of "EverWar", something like the movie "Brazil", where we're living under the "Permanent Emergency Act" provisions.
And best estimates are that by the time the Iraq debacle is wound down, it will have cost the American taxpayers more than $2.5 trillion. And then there's the world's largest embassy there to maintain, with over 20,000 "employees".
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Technically not, but the thing is that people have started to become genre savvy and realize that playing the Hitler card has no effect on anyone anymore, so they're trying to replace Hitler with any other number of dictators and autocrats. But since it's really just the same kind of insult and ad hominem attack, the concept of Godwin's law is slowly expanding.
However, Godwin's law used CORRECTLY is a valid logical argument, because it calls out an actual fallacy, reductio ad hitlerum. Or, in non-Hitler cases, simple ad hominem and guilt by association.
Saying "calling godwin is the new godwin" is like saying "calling strawman is an irrelevant argument because it is a popular counter argument." An argument is valid or invalid separate from the amount of use that particular argument sees.
I was the first to call Godwin's law in this thread, but it was a valid call out.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Technically not, but the thing is that people have started to become genre savvy and realize that playing the Hitler card has no effect on anyone anymore, so they're trying to replace Hitler with any other number of dictators and autocrats. But since it's really just the same kind of insult and ad hominem attack, the concept of Godwin's law is slowly expanding.
Yup. Just in this thread, I've seen liberals compared to Pol Pot, which is just a profoundly ignorant thing to say, since the Khmer Rouge did literally what Sarah Palin and the tea parties are doing metaphorically: They're trying to wipe out anyone with any education and a sense of "liberalism".
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by SkyDiveLife:
HardWare, I guess my answer would be the military? Maybe the mail?
I like the idea of most services being run by local people and companies. If your trash doesnt get picked up on time, you can change companies. Same goes for the condition of roads, and the school system.
Even the police can be outsourced and run by local people.
Medicare and Medicaid are a problem. But maybe companies could be given insentives to offer 401k Matched Asset Plans to all their employees?
Then you have the problem of small business not having the capitol to offer those benefits.
Is there a way around that?
Some of the things my taxes pay for which I approve - roads and maintanance, hospitals and medical treatment, welfare payments, mental health services, schools, subsidising tertiary education, courts, police, child protection services, rubbish removal, .....
Not saying that I approve always of how these things are run, or that I approve of all things government funded, but I think its pretty good that we have the above services.
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"Back in the old days, kids just used to make friends in their neighborhoods, or go to parks ..." if they lived in the city or a small town. But now we have 'burbs and kids are physically isolated from other kids. And there just aren't as many children around of the right age range now that families are smaller. It takes mom or dad with a car to get those kids to a place where there are other kids.
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WULFIE CUB, YOU PAYIN' ATTENTION???
Quote:Heh!
The burglars fled after one of them was struck by the car. No one was injured by the gunfire, but bullets did strike the door frame of the couple's vehicle, said Criminal Investigations Division Commander Preble Acton.
The victims were defending themselves by using their vehicle to ward off the intruders, said Cpl. Scott Martin. Police said no one was seriously injured.
Did I ever tell you all about the time that a resident robber tried to get in my car with me, with his pants unzipped? Once I had the car door slammed and locked and the engine running, the terms had changed! He said Hey, you wanna suck my cock? and I said Hey, you want me to run you over?. Well, he hopped on his bike and I followed him in my car, 2 feet behind, with the horn blaring. Needless to say, he didn't trouble the apartment complex any more!
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"I like the idea of most services being run by local people and companies."
Until you pit them against a national or multinational company doing this:
Then what?
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