How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:23
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Well, Niki, you have to remember that Wulfie here was the one who so kindly offered to give all us socialist-lefty-liberal-Obama-lovers our very own country, somewhere else.
Awful nice of him to offer to let us leave after we won the election and all. That was big of him. ;)
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Sorry, Wulfie, I'm not in the habit of clicking links posted by trolls. PN taught us that with some of the sites he posted links to, and all the malware that accompanies such sites.
Boil 'em down for us, post a transcript, our use your own words to argue your point. Posting up a link - hell, even posting up the whole video - and then proclaiming "I won!" tells me you have more problems than Charlie Sheen.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Actually, I'd say National Socialists were a combination of abhorrent flavours.
Hitler was obviously influenced by Mussolini, and the two of them didn't believe any of the remaining democratic nations could stand up to authoritarianism, a view further cemented by Franco's wins in Spain and the non-intervention from Britain and France.
National Socialism also was a system of corporate cronyism - friends of Hilter's were owners of corporations that became the backbone of the centralized economy. If someone angered Hitler (not uncommon), they would disappear and Hitler would bestow his favour on someone else. And, of course, the concentration camps were really war time slave labour drawn from political dissenters, nationalities, gays, and of course Jews. With horrific living conditions, forced experimentation, mass death, and the war starting to turn in the Alliance's favour, the Nazis eventually realized they had to cover it up, with more mass death (gas chambers) and disposing of the evidence (incinerators).
But, on the other hand, card-carrying Nazis enjoyed numerous benefits. They believed in a meritocracy, with absolute allegiance towards the state. They believed in private property, but thought private property should ultimately be controlled by the state, used in the name of the state, and that the community was more important than the individual. Similarly, some of their policies towards non-Nazis were on the basis of promoting the German working class, not just economically, but also in breeding and more intimate and intrusive details of daily life.
The National Socialists were a schizophrenic ideology, and it's hard to nail down precisely what exactly they were practicing, which was completely intentional on their part.
Suffice to say, the Nazis were Nazis. It's pointless to compare them to existing political parties of today - the only use the Nazis have today is as a warning of how to avoid the signs of dangerous power and authority in government, military, corporations, and society.
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With horrific living conditions, forced experimentation, mass death, and the war starting to turn in the Alliance's favour, the Nazis eventually realized they had to cover it up, with more mass death (gas chambers) and disposing of the evidence (incinerators).
Interesting typo. Alliance?
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by Hardware:
And leftists have never used the big lie strategy. Oh wait, what was the name of their party? National SOCIALIST party.
Hmm, I think I'm seeing a connection.
I think you need to get your eyes checked.
Unless you think the Nazis really were leftists. Then I'd say you need to get your BRAIN checked.
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Parties in various contexts have referred to themselves as National Socialist parties. Because there is no clear definition of national socialism, the term has been used to mean very different things. Since the rise of German Nazism, which called itself "National Socialism", the term has been used in Europe and North America almost exclusively by political parties with combined authoritarian, racial and nationalist views.
Sounds more like your beloved Republican/conservative/tea-party groups to me...
Since your own link categorizes them as the National Socialist German Worker's Party and the democrats/leftists are busy sucking labor's dick, then yes, I see a line of comparison. Add in the communal volunteer work and the engineered lifestyle and there's an even stronger link to the neo-feudalists running the leftist movement in this country.
Unless you want to try and re-engineer your statement on the fly.
Get your own brain checked Kwicko. Sometimes you come out with the dumbest shit.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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I didn't make it through the first video, but if all of them are those stupid computer voiced preplanned argument and response then I can only assume your answer is 'fix the game.'
It's not easy to 'win' against a liberal/pregressive/socialists-etc because they (much like anyone else with politics) have last-word-itus.
Their jerking knees are dangerous and can lead to viscous low blows. Also, they can strip any enhancements or morale bonuses with a 'racist' curse. This curse is persistent and will spread to nearby party members, making it difficult to find support.
I recommend tanking them. Send a more defensible person to get the agro, but keep him healthy enough from a distance. In other words, engage in a war of attrition. Let them make asses of themselves until their mana runs lower and their curses become less powerful.
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Oh, Allies. A-durr. Too much sci-fi for me.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Since your own link categorizes them as the National Socialist German Worker's Party and the democrats/leftists are busy sucking labor's dick, then yes, I see a line of comparison. Add in the communal volunteer work and the engineered lifestyle and there's an even stronger link to the neo-feudalists running the leftist movement in this country.
Your statements make no sense at all. What the Nazis *CALLED* themselves, and what they actually *DID* are pretty wildly disconnected. You cite calling them the "worker's party" as them being busy "sucking labor's dick", apparently. Guess you never heard about them coming for the trade unionists, eh? ;) Nazis weren't big on organized labor, unless it was the kind they organized the slave camps to do. That puts them pretty firmly on the right wing of the ideological scale, as you've just stated when you pointed out how ANTI-labor you truly are.
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Unless you want to try and re-engineer your statement on the fly.
Maybe you should give that a shot. Seems you still need to clean out your headgear. Someone's shoveled you full of shit.
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Get your own brain checked Kwicko. Sometimes you come out with the dumbest shit.
You mean like claiming that Nazis were in favor of labor unions? Yeah, whoever implied that was smoking some pretty serious crack. Oh - that would be YOU, wouldn't it? Careful - cocaine's a dangerous drug.
By the way, what was it you were saying before about a "Godwin"? Seems you've jumped right in to Godwin the entire progressive movement, so according to your own "Rules of teh Interwebz", we can all now dismiss anything you might wish to say.
Thanks for playing, though.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Oh, Allies. A-durr. Too much sci-fi for me.
I thought maybe it was a Freudian thing. ;)
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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If you wanna argue with me - bring your OWN damn argument, not someone elses.
I dun wanna hear what someone else says, I wanna hear what YOU got to say, in your own words, or why argue with you at all, when you're so welded to an agenda all you can do is spout its party line over and over - that's no more interesting than arguing with an automated telephone menu, and about as useful.
Ergo, I reject your useless spam as no more than the internet equivalent of a political robocall, unwanted, of no use, and annoying besides.
Piss off till you have something to discuss, ya bloody wanker.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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