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DOD transcript of a videotape retrieved from a house in Jalalabad, Afghanistan in November, 2001.
http://www.defense.gov/news/Dec2001/d20011213ubl.pdf
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:
I still am pondering the use of FAIL as a noun. I heard my older brother say it while we were at the ocean, I still don't think I fancy it, just like I don't fancy it when people say "My bad", my bad what? Bad is an adjective, wouldn't one want ot say "my error"? Oh well, people can say what they like, it isn't hurting anyone to be sure. I just wonder if anyone else thinks about this stuff, finds it perplexing. Oh well.
Insert bemused and perplexed face here.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
"FAIL" as a noun pretty much comes from places like 4chan and failblog, where people would post funny or ironic pictures of things going horribly wrong with the simple caption "FAIL" on them. From there, it morphed into people posting things like "your shipment of FAIL has arrived" and "you're on the FAILboat", etc.
"My bad" is generally accepted to be "urban slang" - probably started by someone saying something to a friend - "Yo, that's bad, man" and being responded to with, "Yeah, that's MY bad." And from there it just caught on and grew. Once it gets into a blockbuster movie, or a cult hit, it becomes part of the vernacular and just becomes a commonplace phrase.
I get amused by people who actually say "WTF" in conversation. It's internet shorthand, of course, and quicker to type than "What the fuck?", but it's actually LONGER to say "WTF" than to say "What the fuck". Just the "W" is as many syllables as saying the whole phrase, which just goes to prove language and slang aren't necessarily about shortening things or making them simpler...
I don't find this stuff perplexing so much as I find it fascinating. I love watching the language evolve.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
Hello,
I know a lot of people who will declare, "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!" not in an attempt to shorten language (obviously) but rather in an attempt to convey an idea without using language they consider offensive if uttered in public.
--Anthony
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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I still am pondering the use of FAIL as a noun. I heard my older brother say it while we were at the ocean, I still don't think I fancy it, just like I don't fancy it when people say "My bad", my bad what? Bad is an adjective, wouldn't one want ot say "my error"? Oh well, people can say what they like, it isn't hurting anyone to be sure. I just wonder if anyone else thinks about this stuff, finds it perplexing. Oh well.
Insert bemused and perplexed face here.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Language evolves. Always has, always will. A decade or so ago, I didn't figure "text" would become a verb - but it very much is. "Google" was, if anything at all, a description for eyes on stuffed animals. Now it's a verb and a proper noun.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, deputy national security advisor says waterboarding DIDN'T play a role in the finding of Bin Laden.
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/obama-advisor-waterboarding-
didnt-lead-to-bin-laden-kill/
Told ya so, indeed.
Bah, we all know how Rappy rolls. If it doesn't agree with his narrative, it doesn't count. And you're a fool/denier/yadda yadda for even daring to present it.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, deputy national security advisor says waterboarding DIDN'T play a role in the finding of Bin Laden.
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/obama-advisor-waterboarding-
didnt-lead-to-bin-laden-kill/
Told ya so, indeed.
Bah, we all know how Rappy rolls. If it doesn't agree with his narrative, it doesn't count. And you're a fool/denier/yadda yadda for even daring to present it.
Leon Panetta, the CIA director, has confirmed that controversial "enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding yielded some of the intelligence information that ultimately led to Osama bin Laden.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8491509/Osama-bin-L
aden-killed-CIA-admits-waterboarding-yielded-vital-information.html
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, deputy national security advisor says waterboarding DIDN'T play a role in the finding of Bin Laden.
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/obama-advisor-waterboarding-
didnt-lead-to-bin-laden-kill/
Told ya so, indeed.
Bah, we all know how Rappy rolls. If it doesn't agree with his narrative, it doesn't count. And you're a fool/denier/yadda yadda for even daring to present it.
Leon Panetta, the CIA director, has confirmed that controversial "enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding yielded some of the intelligence information that ultimately led to Osama bin Laden.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8491509/Osama-bin-L
aden-killed-CIA-admits-waterboarding-yielded-vital-information.html
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Hello,
This is good news, Mr. Raptor. This means that when you boldly stand opposed to violating human rights, you will be traveling the narrow, winding road. Enduring the difficult path, because Freedom isn't free. It demands sacrifice, and as a lover of freedom, you are willing to do what it takes.
If that means living in a world where we don't torture people just to get easy intel, so be it.
I'm proud of you for being willing to endure a little bit more danger and uncertainty in your life in order to uphold the values that make this country great.
--Anthony
_______________________________________________
“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Here is an example of the three problems I have with this text:
"(...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower."
The first problem is that parts of it doesn't make sense in English. Unless you tell me that Arabic-speaking people inherently don't make sense no matter how good the translation, there is a problem with the text of what he is saying.
"(...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower (because the tower facing Mecca REALLY made a difference!)"
"(...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy ... who would be killed based on the position of the tower?"
Perhaps he meant:
"(...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties of the enemy, who would be killed based on the placement of the damage to the tower" or,
"(...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties of the enemy, who would be killed based on their position in the tower", or
"(...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of our casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on their position in the tower".
In any case, it is too scrambled to put much faith in it.
The second problem is that it's incomplete, meaning you don't get the context -
"(...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower."
"(After we heard about it we were sitting around and bullshitting one day, and) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower."
"(They told us) 'we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower'."
Many parts are missing, leaving the context in question.
The third and largest problem is the translation.
Here is a quote from the translation you provided:
"The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter."
Here is the government trial exhibit:
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/moussaoui/zmobltranscrip
t.html
"The brothers who executed . . . . All they knew was that there was a martyrdom operation. They were asked to go to the United States. . . Europe . . . but they did not know one single little thing about the nature of the operation."
Difference much?
Now perhaps you weren't paying attention when all this was going on, but I was. This was the tape I was referring to when I said there was a tape of bin Laden celebrating 9/11. There was a LOT of controversy over this tape, its completeness - or lack thereof (there was quite a bit of evidence from overlapping information held by the British and Italians that the tape had been edited), its provenance, and especially its translation. But the LEGAL translation - the translation of record - does not support bin Laden's involvement. It says 'they were asked' by somebody and not 'we asked them'. Which is why the public translation was consistently shaded - the US needed a PR slam-dunk, even though they didn't have a legal one. The LEGAL EVIDENCE is EXTREMELY ambiguous, most especially when you read the whole transcript.
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Regardless of your problems with this, it is still evidence. Unless you or Kwicko want to appoint yourself grand arbiter for acceptable evidence.
It appears to me that you can't stand when your "facts" are easily refutable.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Hardware:
Regardless of your problems with this, it is still evidence. Unless you or Kwicko want to appoint yourself grand arbiter for acceptable evidence.
It appears to me that you can't stand when your "facts" are easily refutable.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
Hello,
It would seem to me that you are quite correct, Mr. Hardware. Bad and easily refutable evidence of questionable quality does indeed exist in this matter.
--Anthony
_______________________________________________
“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
Regardless of your problems with this, it is still evidence. Unless you or Kwicko want to appoint yourself grand arbiter for acceptable evidence.
It appears to me that you can't stand when your "facts" are easily refutable.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
Hello,
It would seem to me that you are quite correct, Mr. Hardware. Bad and easily refutable evidence of questionable quality does indeed exist in this matter.
--Anthony
Which is exactly as I stipulated. But certain parties like to hear their keyboards click, apparently, and have trouble admitting they were wrong.
In any event, Bin Leaden deserved to have his ticket punched for the acts of terrorism in the 93 WTC bombing, bombings of the 2 african embassies and the USS Cole, which money trails lead directly back to Al Quaida.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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