Sometimes there's a post so good...
POSTED BY: Hardware
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 00:32
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Sometimes you run into a post so good that you need to just spread it as far as you can.
This comes from Slashdot, in a thread regarding the death of Osama Bin Laden.
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circletimessquare wrote;
My last day of work at the World Trade Center was September 10, 2001. I remember turning around, looking at a lone guitarist playing near that fountain with the Globe sculpture, it was a beautiful Monday night, around 9 pm. I had worked late, so I was going to show up late to work on Tuesday. I woke up to my phone ringing off the hook. I lost my job, but compared to what others lost, I lost nothing.
The people who died that day were liberal and conservative, but all were American. Bin Laden hated us all, just because we were American. So please, no political games here. This isn't about left and right, this is about a cowardly attack on all of us, as Americans. As a hardcore liberal, I embrace my fellow Americans who are conservative on this good news for us all.
Come together, as Americans, left and right, lose the useless political snark and sniping, and celebrate this asshole's death. Good fucking riddance.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Would you like a shovel with that load of bolus ?
He didn't hate us "because we were american", he hated us cause we fucked him and his country over, broke our promises, left em swinging in the breeze when the Soviets pulled out, on top of a long history of exploitation and abuse going back well over fifty years.
There's also no evidence linking him to the events of 9-11, for a fact he denied it and as much shit as he liked talking - cause I'll give you that he really was a murderous dick and showboating asswipe, I can't see him not takin credit for it if he had anything at all to DO with it.
The guy we *DID* charge, who's sitting in a federal supermax right now, is some dickheaded Kuwaiti financier with links to the Carlyle Group, whom I don't really consider guilty so much as ignorant in that they turned a blind eye to Saudi payoffs of shitheels like Osama, Khalid-Sheik-Mohammed, and Ramzi Youssef, the latter two being far more "guilty" in the sense that they were directly involved in the Bojinka concept plans which were recovered in a by the book search with a properly served warrant back when the american DSS and Pakistani ISI arrested Khalid-Shiek-Mohammed on an outstanding warrant for his many crimes.
(and for the moment, we'll put aside where he got the bomb in 1993, unless you want to go there.)
Sure, the world is prolly a better place with Osama dead, but since that happened back in the second week of December 2001, and we been bullshitting ourselves with this Emmanuel Goldstein fearmongering, at least accepting that he's gone is something - albeit a bit too late to amend the damage WE caused to ourselves and others, far in excess of anything OBL could have ever done to us, which was exactly his plan, and we fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
HOWEVER - This kind of who-cares-about-the-details STUPID FUCKING IGNORANCE, is *HOW* we wound up with the fucking Patriot Act, the TSA and the ever so appropriately named gaterape-groping and a whole bunch of our freedoms and the things that ever made America worth a damn pissed right down the drain, because no one QUESTIONED it, for fear of being accused all McCarthy-like, of disloyalty or politicking.
I *DO* care about the details, CAUSE THEY FUCKING MATTER.
So what, we acknowledged today the death of a guy who we really wanted dead, not because of anything he said or did, so much, but that he was a living example of our own actions coming back to bite us on the ass - we made him, trained and financed his Mujas to kick the Soviets out of Afghanistan and made all kinds of promises we didn't ever hold up to, but now he's conveniently not around to tell his side of the story anymore, and that more than anything else is what is being celebrated here - hoorah, the guy we screwed over who never let us forget is finally gone, yippee.
And all with a nice, tidy and convenient story which doesn't require producing any proof because nobody other than bastards like me questions it.
All this shit as of late is all too convenient, all too suspicious, to go unchallenged, from the assassination of Bhutto, to the incident with "Raymond Davis" which you've no doubt forgotten just as expected when the story was buried, to Petraeus being placed in charge of the CIA, it paints a really ugly picture of what we're really doing over there and why.
So yeah, you better question it - but if you prefer to dance on the supposed corpse of some dickhead who never could have done us shit for damage without us doing most of it for him, right on cue like a monkey dancing to the organ grinders tune, you go right ahead and do that.
Cause if you think this is going to really matter, if you think that we'll actually pull the hell out of such a lucrative and convenient conflict, or hand back any of the freedoms we pissed away while the lot of you were dancing to the masters tune instead of holding them to the question - you're dreaming.
And in your slumber, being robbed blind of everything that ever mattered worth a damn, by the very folk who claim to be protecting you.
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I wanted to point out a logical fallacy: The crime is horrible, ergo, the suspect is guilty. Select to view spoiler:
"Need a shovel" is a nice one. Might go on my list of terseties.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Thank you DT and Frem.
This kind of "We are all just American's so let's hug each other and celebrate the death of an enemy" is the kind of horsepuckies that enables us to commit even more stupidities.
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Oh yes, how tragic. We're the big bad Americans. We feel so guilty because we can actually make our systems work.
Sorry, time for you children to WAKE THE FUCK UP.
OBL and a whole bunch of his sand-workshipping kinsmen would love to kill you, and your children and run your women off to slavery.
It's in the fuck koran for Christ's sake! They have a waiver on any sin when it comes to fucking over infidels. Lie, cheat, steal, kill, screw over, it's all good with their Imams.
So, if you want me to apologize because we stomped the life out of a cockroach, you're going to be waiting a long, long time.
The only regret I have is that they didn't throw his body to the hogs.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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No one ever goes to war 'cause they have an 'idea'. They go to war over resources and power, or the lack of them. Change that and it wouldn't matter what the Koran says, war would just not be worth it.
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Quote:Jews too. The same thing is in the OT. And look at our Crusades, and the way we wiped out native populations for God, gold, and glory. All part of that lovely militaristic Judeo-Xtian-Muslim heritage.
It's in the fuck koran for Christ's sake! They have a waiver on any sin when it comes to fucking over infidels. Lie, cheat, steal, kill, screw over, it's all good with their Imams.
BTW- Not apologizing at all. But WTF are we doing in THEIR countries? How would YOU feel if the Saudis decided they would set up an army base in Texas, and then took over Washington and rewrote our laws to be acceptable to them? Goose sauce= gander sauce, no?
Hardware, as an exercise in logic why don't you try re-framing things? For example, in anti-abortion discussions, every time you read the word "abortion" substitute "war" or "death penalty". In discussions about "terrorists", every time you read the word "terrorist" substitute the phrase "American military" or "police". You might see that the same arguments and logic apply in different contexts. Perhaps, logically, there is no separation.
FWIW I'm relieved that he's dead. That is one less boogeyman to hype people up with. But I don't kid myself that this spells an end to jihadism specifically or terrorism in general.
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I think after a rocky start Barak Obama has come to the realization that when it comes to the war on Islamist terror the Bush administration had it right for the most part. Bush fell short on persuing terorists in Pakistan while Obama has done so admirably.
I love it when the libs here show their true colors, they hate America so much the excuse the murder of 3000 Americans. Its makes me sick, but I've come to expect it from the sick fucks here.
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I've met jihadists, they didn't want to kill me, nor did they hate freedom. One went so far as to say that the infadel did not have souls... okay, that's a bit extreme. But do you really think there are no christians or jews who feel the same way (more or less) about muslims?
Both sides have preachers of hate that fill their heads with this sort of notion. What you really have to ask yourself is "Do you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution?"
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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