Sometimes there's a post so good...
POSTED BY: Hardware
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 00:32
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I concede there's evidence either way in a number of issues, and it's up to each of us individually to decide what evidence we believe. Though your point doesn't entirely dismiss the whole Osama question, but then it sounds like you weren't trying to.
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Hello,
It's easy to fall into the trap of debating the efficacy of torture. I do it myself sometimes without thinking.
The debate about its efficacy is the wrong debate.
The real debate is, 'Would you die to protect the freedoms and principles to which you cleave?"
The price of freedom is living in a dangerous world, and choosing not to mitigate that danger by destroying freedom and the 'rights' we have defined as being important to humanity.
Most of us compromise on that to some degree, but my line is drawn well before inflicting agony to get information.
--Anthony
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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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HW, again you FAIL.
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Kiki said;
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, just to chime in and then I'm outa' here: there is as much evidence of bin Laden's guilt for 9/11 as there is for Hussein's WMDs. In other words - nada. And, I'm detecting a Bush administration patten here which goes: start a war and look for reasons later. And, uh, fail to find any evidence. Geeeeze. What a dunce.
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And I presented some evidence. Which makes, and continues to make, Kiki's statement a FAIL.
Whether or not that evidence is credible. It is certainly, by it's mere existence, evidence. Which means the statement that there is no evidence incontrovertibly wrong.
Still want to keep arguing this single point or are you going to come up with another convoluted argument that tries to dodge the point?
Kiki didn't say there was NO evidence. She/he said there as "as much evidence". Before the Iraq War, we were assured that there was indeed evidence of Saddam's WMD. It was all phony and forgeries, but it was, in your words, "evidence".
So Kiki did not indeed "FAIL", but you have, rather spectacularly, and you keep flaming out. Sorry you're getting so butt-hurt about it, and getting sand in your pussy, in your words, but it's true - you've failed utterly to provide any real evidence. Dan Rather lost his job while providing more factual evidence than you've supplied.
Sorry your reading comprehension is so terrible, and you can't figure out where it all went wrong for you. As Frem suggested before, quit digging!
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Kwicko, you constantly amaze me with your dumbfuckery. She said there was nada. Meaning no evidence. I shouldn't expect critical thinking from leftists. You're the type of people who can't understand the phrase; "Shall not be infringed."
I highlighted in bold and red and you still didn't get the inaccuracy of the statement. At this point, I think you are in a parallel delusional state sort of like PN. I don't think you could be shown the truth if I dragged you to it and rubbed your nose in it. Come to think of it, I did and you didn't get it.
And, while we're bringing up Kiki's inaccurate statements, let's look at the second part of the statement;
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And, I'm detecting a Bush administration patten here which goes:..
So it is Bush's fault that OBL is dead? That IS the point we're arguing, isn't it?
Double fail.
I shouldn't have given you the option of conceding or making another perambulating argument. I don't think you're capable of changing your mind once you've decided you're right.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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I still am pondering the use of FAIL as a noun. I heard my older brother say it while we were at the ocean, I still don't think I fancy it, just like I don't fancy it when people say "My bad", my bad what? Bad is an adjective, wouldn't one want ot say "my error"? Oh well, people can say what they like, it isn't hurting anyone to be sure. I just wonder if anyone else thinks about this stuff, finds it perplexing. Oh well.
Insert bemused and perplexed face here.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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HW, you've posted exactly one piece of evidence, and that very evidence itself says that it has never been authenticated, and can't be.
You actually DO have "nada". Your inbred fuckwit of a brain can't figure that out, can it? I notice that as a pattern with you right-wing idiots - you get stuck on stupid, and refuse to let facts get in your way.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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HW
There were CLAIMS of evidence for WMDs in Iraq, not only before the attack, but after. Centrifuge buried under a rose bush. Satellite photo that might have possibly been A truck by A large building presumed to be a factory. Sworn statements that Hussein had the WMDs sent to Syria ... etc.
If I were to CLAIM that I talked with Santa Claus last Christmas - I swear on the holy bible it's true - would you consider it evidence that Santa exists? What about if I showed you a video of me dressed up as Santa telling you I'm Santa? How about if I wrote it on a piece of paper and underneath wrote - 'this is the word of god'? Would you think that's evidence?
An obviously fake video is not evidence - sorry dude - no matter how much you need to believe it is. But that's the problem with reality, it doesn't care how you feel. It is what it is.
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"I just wonder if anyone else thinks about this stuff, finds it perplexing."
I used to be a stickler for good grammar, until I saw really freakin' BAD grammar in the NYTimes, the WashingtonPost, and other bastions of the English language. I pretty much gave up on it.
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I still am pondering the use of FAIL as a noun. I heard my older brother say it while we were at the ocean, I still don't think I fancy it, just like I don't fancy it when people say "My bad", my bad what? Bad is an adjective, wouldn't one want ot say "my error"? Oh well, people can say what they like, it isn't hurting anyone to be sure. I just wonder if anyone else thinks about this stuff, finds it perplexing. Oh well.
Insert bemused and perplexed face here.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
"FAIL" as a noun pretty much comes from places like 4chan and failblog, where people would post funny or ironic pictures of things going horribly wrong with the simple caption "FAIL" on them. From there, it morphed into people posting things like "your shipment of FAIL has arrived" and "you're on the FAILboat", etc.
"My bad" is generally accepted to be "urban slang" - probably started by someone saying something to a friend - "Yo, that's bad, man" and being responded to with, "Yeah, that's MY bad." And from there it just caught on and grew. Once it gets into a blockbuster movie, or a cult hit, it becomes part of the vernacular and just becomes a commonplace phrase.
I get amused by people who actually say "WTF" in conversation. It's internet shorthand, of course, and quicker to type than "What the fuck?", but it's actually LONGER to say "WTF" than to say "What the fuck". Just the "W" is as many syllables as saying the whole phrase, which just goes to prove language and slang aren't necessarily about shortening things or making them simpler...
I don't find this stuff perplexing so much as I find it fascinating. I love watching the language evolve.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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This is a link to the CNN transcript of an interview Al Jazeera did with Bin Laden. When CNN aired it in its entirety Al Jazeera severed the media sharing agreement it had with them. They also retracted the rights for CNN to air the interview.
However, CNN has the transcript on their website. Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11 in the transcript.
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-02-05/world/binladen.transcript_1_incitem
ent-fatwas-al-qaeda-organization?_s=PM:asiapcf
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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