Sometimes there's a post so good...

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UPDATED: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 00:32
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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
What strikes me as rather strange, is that a vast superpower nation such as the USA, is throwing a big party because they have taken 10 years to kill ONE Man. Do you think that the whole Islamic terrorist shit is now going to collapse and fold because Bin Laden is dead? Is there no more organisation below Bin Laden?
I'm sorry, but your Government is easily pleased.
The fact that just one bloke's death can cause massive chants of "USA" in the streets is a pretty poor indication of how desperate you are to achieve a victory.
I'm shedding no tears over his death, but partying in the streets over one man???It's a pretty pathetic effort IMO.


Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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I wasn't aware this became a national holiday. I certainly wasn't let out of work for it. Not that I would want to celebrate another person's death, regardless of how evil I considered them. Still, I get your point. It wasn't a royal wedding after all

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Oh, just to chime in and then I'm outa' here: there is as much evidence of bin Laden's guilt for 9/11 as there is for Hussein's WMDs. In other words - nada. And, I'm detecting a Bush administration patten here which goes: start a war and look for reasons later. And, uh, fail to find any evidence. Geeeeze. What a dunce.

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And lay off the 'one man' nonsense. Hitler was ' one man'. Saddam was 'one man'. Iraqis danced in the streets when he was caught... .Usama is the face of modern day evil. Any time that good defeats evil, is a very good thing.

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In the AI thread we talk about the capabilities of "one man". I said in that thread- and I repeat here- even the most sociopathic among us depend on the cooperation of many others to further their own goals.

One man ranting about evil Jewish bankers would simply be a lonely soapbox orator without the cooperation of millions. The fact of war is not an indication of human aggression as much as it is an indication of cooperation.

It's that whole libertarian fantasy of "the individual"; like Ayn Rand's protagonists. Anything that we do that is significant, we do collectively. A lone individual doesn't have enough power. They may as well be jacking off in a corner.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

It's that whole libertarian fantasy of "the individual"; like Ayn Rand's protagonists. Anything that we do that is significant, we do collectively. A lone individual doesn't have enough power. They may as well be jacking off in a corner.

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Wow... project irrelevant and non related issues much ?

I said UBL was the FACE of evil, not the total embodiment of it. When folks who riot over his death ( and yes, that's exactly what is going on in places like Pakistan ) carry signs, there's HIS face. That's the point.

That zealots follow leaders like Hitler, Saddam or Usama, has nothing to do w/ what Ayn Rand was talking about, at all.

Curious insight into your thinking ,but you completely miss the mark here.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Hmm. I thought this thread was turning into flamebait, maybe it wasn't.

The gatherings and jubilation seem a little much, not that I could or would have prevented them. Reminded me of some of the celebrations in the Middle East whenever America gets some bad luck.

Sometimes it almost seems like people lack awareness of what people on their own side are doing, and how something like this could provoke and perpetuate feud violence.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Hmm. I thought this thread was turning into flamebait, maybe it wasn't.

The gatherings and jubilation seem a little much, not that I could or would have prevented them. Reminded me of some of the celebrations in the Middle East whenever America gets some bad luck.

Sometimes it almost seems like people lack awareness of what people on their own side are doing, and how something like this could provoke and perpetuate feud violence.

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I'm trying to think of a time when this sort of spontaneous celebration has occurred. Other than New Yorkers and in D.C., I don't know that there was much in the way of open celebration. There wasn't wide spread talk of it on FB, least not that I saw. But I'm not all that heavy into FB or Twitter....


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Hmm. I thought this thread was turning into flamebait, maybe it wasn't.

The gatherings and jubilation seem a little much, not that I could or would have prevented them. Reminded me of some of the celebrations in the Middle East whenever America gets some bad luck.

Sometimes it almost seems like people lack awareness of what people on their own side are doing, and how something like this could provoke and perpetuate feud violence.

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I'm trying to think of a time when this sort of spontaneous celebration has occurred. Other than New Yorkers and in D.C., I don't know that there was much in the way of open celebration. There wasn't wide spread talk of it on FB, least not that I saw. But I'm not all that heavy into FB or Twitter....


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Hello,

Each and every time Fidel Castro has died, sneezed, or been hospitalized, Miami experiences a similar celebration.

I've seen it enough times that it makes me a bit sad.

--Anthony



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Well I'm glad he's dead. And the celebrating (not that much in the grand scheme of things, just in New York and DC as has been said) makes sense to me, I think people are feeling closure, maybe even a closure that they didn't know they were looking for in some cases, I felt it and I didn't know I would, or that I was seeking it, I didn't know until it happened. I like the comradery I see in the news footage of people at the White House etc. Call me whatever you want I don't rightly care.

Byte's point is worth considering though, it feels good to celebrate and have said comradery as countrymen, but will it lead to more trouble for our warriors? It may, which bothers me. But I don't think we can stop spontaneous jubilation, so we'll have to handle things as they come.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, dead men tell no tales.

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So true.

ETA: There was much more evidence for Saddam's WMDs, that's why it was the case for war. If there hadn't been evidence, they would have made a better case, because that's a terrible reason to go to war. There must be three dozen nations at least with WMDs, many of which were sworn enemies of the US. It was not that there wasn't any evidence, it was that just because there is evidence doesn't mean that it is so. That's why there are trials. Or aren't, in this case.


Rap,

I'm sure he was already dead, but there is something here: Now the idea of him is dead. The "one man" as you said, the face of evil. Whether or not the man was evil in life, he became the image of evil, for a decade, and now with that gone, we can move on, and perhaps look at things more objectively. I can see a positive side to that.

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Sig

One man ranting about evil Jewish bankers would simply be a lonely soapbox orator without the cooperation of millions.

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Pirate News has the cooperation of millions?


Byte,

Maybe we can celebrate that now we have no legitimate reason to be in the middle east


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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