Firefly Timeline
POSTED BY: Almanac
UPDATED: Sunday, April 16, 2017 22:12
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Originally posted by Almanac:
If people have any thoughts on it before I draw my own conclusions, feel free to offer your input here.Anyone else should watch out for the spoilers that entails...
Edgar Governo
Historian of Things That Never Were
http://www.mts.net/~arphaxad/history.html] What is very odd about the timeline in Float Out is that nobody from Serenity came to the Jetwash christening. That is so wrong.Select to view spoiler:
At least Mal should be there with Zoe. And the woman doesn't look like Zoe. Blaming the artist can explain that away. Since there is only one black woman actress on Firefly, any black woman in the comics has to be Zoe, right?
Reading Float Out is more fun if you entertain the idea that the pregnant woman was not Zoe. That makes Wash a hot pilot and a dirty cheating dog! Zoe would have killed him if he had lived.
It also makes Float Out a Whedonesque tragedy -- Wash has his child, but Zoe never will.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
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Not so strange. If that's Zoe, and I think it is, then it's possible she goes on walk-about (fly-about?) as she's trying to come to terms with Wash's death and her old life as she prepares to have her girl. And if she's not with Serenity anymore, the crew of Serenity may not have heard of this memorial or been invited.
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Quote:Are you trying to get Firefly canceled? Single motherhood for Zoe doesn't mix well with Zoe staying on Serenity.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Not so strange. If that's Zoe, and I think it is, then it's possible she goes on walk-about (fly-about) as she's trying to come to terms with Wash's death and her old life as she prepares to have her girl. And if she's not with Serenity anymore, the crew of Serenity may not have heard of this memorial or been invited.
If Zoe goes on hiatus from Serenity during a pregnancy, there's many reasons for Zoe to not rejoin the crew until her child was a teen. There's kindergarten and playing with children the same age and elementary school and the part about Mommy Zoe possibly being killed in a gunfight, which can adversely affect a young child's emotional development.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Single motherhood for Zoe doesn't mix well with Zoe staying on Serenity.
No kidding. That's why I said she probably leaves.
Where is Zoe's story arc? Wash is dead, her characterization STILL hasn't changed much judging by the glimpse we saw at the end of the movie. Frankly, Zoe's story seems to be over. The fact that she's still alive and has a kid on the way is practically happily ever after in the Joss-verse.
I mean, yeah, there's still potentially interesting territory, like watching Zoe downward spiral after Wash's death and then her reaction to the news (either positive or negative), and if she stays we could be treated to Zoe dying, the baby dying, or some sort of new Blue Sun scheme that involves stealing newborns. But the question to ask yourself is would Joss even bother with any of that if he had to deal with the usual baby stuff, both in production and shown story wise? I say no. Joss and babies and childhood development fluff stories don't mix.
Making the woman in the comic not Zoe doesn't solve any of those problems. None of that gives Zoe a story arc. Zoe HAS no story arc. She's out, unless we return to the series several years later and the kid is old enough to learn how to shoot or fly.
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Joss has added children to his other shows. Catastrophe follows. On Angel, Zoe (Whoops! I meant Gina Torres) played Jasmine, who was born fully grown and preceded to bring on the end of the world. Then there was Angel's baby, Connor. More end of the world. If Zoe gets pregnant, it's the end of the Universe. Maybe Joss wants to go there in Serenity: The Comics. I sure hope not.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Yeah, but all the kids in question were supernatural in nature and a danger to the very fabrics of reality. And Jasmine wasn't even ever in the infant stage, like you said.
There's one time Joss put in kids that didn't cause the end of the world, weren't super powered, and were the offspring of some main characters for their not so happy ever after. And that was in the very last post-apocalyptic episode of Dollhouse. And he STILL didn't put in any baby or childhood development fluff.
Seriously, Joss doesn't do babies.
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I don't trust Joss with timeline, he screws it up once and if he does it once he can do it again, ergo I feel its up to interpretation. In Trash Mal tells Monty that he ran into Saffron a half a year back (six months) and then in the movie Mal says its been eight months since they picked up Simon and River, insinuating that the Our Mrs. Reynolds incident was right after Simon and River came aboard, and considering the pacing of the episodes I don't think so Sherlock. So in my opinion all speculations about timeline in the movie are toast because the show came first so I trust its time precident. Just how I feel.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Hmm. It could have happened only two months after Simon and River came aboard, after all we have to remember that we only saw like half a season, and Trash and others were towards the end of the run. If we say that the entire run of the series occurred somewhere between an estimated 6 and 8 months, then the fifth episode out of 14 would be slightly more than a third of the way through.
Though I swear I remember hearing something that dated OMR as five months after the pilot.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Hmm. It could have happened only two months after Simon and River came aboard, after all we have to remember that we only saw like half a season, and Trash and others were towards the end of the run. If we say that the entire run of the series occurred somewhere between an estimated 6 and 8 months, then the fifth episode out of 14 would be slightly more than a third of the way through.
Though I swear I remember hearing something that dated OMR as five months after the pilot.
In Safe Simon says he's been aboard 2 months.
In Train Job Inara says she's been aboard 8 months, and in Bushwahcked she says almost a year.
Pilot Serenity happened about 8 months before Film Serenity, as mentioned by Mal (to Simon) and in script by Operative to Dr Mathias.
Mal's mention of "half year back" is fairly vague, and I would not expect it to be precisely 182 days. I think it's more like 4 or 5 months.
There are some links to timeline discussions in the Writer's Resource Package thread in Blue Sun Room forum.
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I don't think we'll agree on this matter, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, trying to shove 14 episodes into eight months might be valid if everything happened bam bam bam right in a row, but time estimations given in the show tell me that that isn't the case, oh, and we know that the cows were on board between Shindig and Safe for about a month. Maybe I will set up my own timeline based on info from the series alone, I suppose it might be done though it wouldn't be perfect because we weren't given enough to know for sure.
But I will never accept the movie timeline unless someone can give me a more powerful compelling reason to. But I think that people can figure it how they choose, its a show and movie for goodness sake, it isn't the end of the world.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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