Love Kevin Spacey, as an actor, but he's
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Quote:I love quotations. I search for quotations regarding a certain subject all the time. Science. God. Gun rights. Global warming. Government. Federal reserve. Whatever. I store them in a little quotation database I keep. Sometimes, I actually quote them to others.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
But the fact he sought out such a quote in the first place makes it all the more " hinky", imo.
I almost never double-check to see if the author really said it or not. Or if the quotation has been properly documented. If it turns out the quotation was wrongly attributed, I change it to "Source unknown, attributed to ______ "). No big deal. People make mistakes and accept urban legends or myths as real. You simply don't have time to fact-check every quotation you hear, esp for some interview.
Now if I were publishing an essay and I used a quotation, I try to up my standards and source it. But casually? No, I don't do that.
Am I "hinky"? Maybe. Whatever, you know?
Interestingly, "What are we fighting for?" does not show up as a frequently misattributed Churchill quotation on either of the sources below. So if you did a quick fact-check, there are no major red flags. I suspect they will add this quotation eventually to the misattributed list. But until then, cut these folks some slack, right?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiquote/en/wiki/Winston_Churchill
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/myths/myths/quotes-falsely-attri
buted-to-him
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Quote:From your lips to God's ears. One can only dream.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
If only we could have those kinds of conversations instead of this one.
I would love to see an intelligent, cultured version of FFF.
But then, they probably wouldn't let me in.
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Such as, "It turns out the quote is likely an artifact of the popular imagination, and not anything that Churchill actually said. But the real question is this: Do public dollars need to go to support the arts? There seems to be a common perception amongst some that if the arts are not actively supported by government, then they will dry up and blow away. I can't say I agree. I think the pursuit of artistic expression is innate to human beings, and not connected to or reliant on government support. What do you think?"
I think I have to label myself an elitist on this issue. It's hard to imagine artistic culture prospering in society without government support - take public libraries as an example. Remove them and I imagine in a few generations literary treasures would be gone from mainstream society forever; lost amid the constant stream of populist, flavour-of-the-month 'chick-lit', or whatever (I'm not quite as passionate about this as I sound, just making a case
). Without public libraries not only would you be unable to sample classic literature for free, the price of buying your own copy of them would rise, as public libraries no longer stock them and it becomes less economic to print them.So my provocative conclusion is that the free market is a bad decider of what constitutes good art/cultural treasure, and an elitist governmental body/panel does a much better job.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, another double fail on your part.
There aren't ANY of ' my words' w/ regard to the Huckabee issue, as I never commented on it. Also, that has nothing what so ever to do w/ the made up quote Kevin went LOOKING for, and alas..found! Imagine his surprise!
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
So, a presidential candidate isn't responsible for his words or mistakes, even when misquoting himself...
But an ACTOR gets a quote wrong, and he's a liar.
God, you zealots are a funny breed.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:I like the free market, but I am afraid I agree with you on this point.
Originally posted by kpo:
So my provocative conclusion is that the free market is a bad decider of what constitutes good art/cultural treasure, and an elitist governmental body/panel does a much better job.
Except I don't think the "elitist governmental body/panel" has to you know, government. It could be a scholarly panel, funded by voluntary contributions, like a private museum gets funding from voluntary contributors. The panel itself could itself be the result of voluteered hours. It doesn't NEED to be funded at gunpoint (by involuntary taxpayer funds).
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Hello,
I don't think classic literature would evaporate in the absence of public funding. Such literature would likely still be required in Colleges and Universities. It would probably become an elite status symbol to be familiar with them.
It's also important to understand that Shakespeare was trashy pop culture once. In the absence of government support, I think art would take two forms.
1) Whatever the public was eager to buy.
2) Whatever wealthy elitists wanted to showcase at their parties.
There have been several times in history where this was the case.
Public dollars don't make or break art. They simply make a wider variety accessible to the unwashed masses.
--Anthony
Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Who cares about Kevin Spacey? Last I checked he was an actor, and the only people who know less about politics than actors are politicians.
Did you get such air time on Matthews' show ?
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*eyebrow*
Who?
Kidding. But really, I don't care much about Chris Matthews' opinions, for the same reason I don't care much about Kevin Spacey's opinions.
For one, I've never met them, never talked to them. And for two, most people who are celebrities haven't yet shown they can tell a hole in the ground from their backsides, and what's worse, they're doing headstands.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The truth is that this thread has nothing to do with Spacey or Churchill. It is instead a device to score political points for a point of view in opposition to a political party.
It boils down neatly to this: "Libtards Lie, News at Eleven."
My point was that not only did Spacey come up w/ a phony quote, but he was then treated with the most accepting sort of deference and agreement by Matthews. It falls in line with what both WANT to be true, and instead of dealing in fact, they instead make up their own little version, repeat it, put it out in the ethos, and folks blindly accept it, and move on.
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And but for the sake of making that statement, this thread would not exist here. It would instead exist in some obscure Historical debate forum. "Was Spacey Mistaken?" it might be called. Or "What is the origin of this fable?"
I wish at least that this had been framed in a less antagonistic fashion. One actually aimed at reasonable discussion.
Such as, "It turns out the quote is likely an artifact of the popular imagination, and not anything that Churchill actually said. But the real question is this: Do public dollars need to go to support the arts? There seems to be a common perception amongst some that if the arts are not actively supported by government, then they will dry up and blow away. I can't say I agree. I think the pursuit of artistic expression is innate to human beings, and not connected to or reliant on government support. What do you think?"
If only we could have those kinds of conversations instead of this one.
--Anthony
Yeah.. that'd be nice. Had YOU started such a thread.
But you didn't. Someone else did, and with their own point of view.
Crazy, huh?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, another double fail on your part.
There aren't ANY of ' my words' w/ regard to the Huckabee issue, as I never commented on it. Also, that has nothing what so ever to do w/ the made up quote Kevin went LOOKING for, and alas..found! Imagine his surprise!
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
So, a presidential candidate isn't responsible for his words or mistakes, even when misquoting himself...
How you came to that conclusion and what it has to do w/ the thread ... I'm really not following you.
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But an ACTOR gets a quote wrong, and he's a liar.
God, you zealots are a funny breed.
Again, you're way off the mark.
Try to keep up, or just sit there until the next thread comes by. Maybe you can join in on that one ?
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