Love Kevin Spacey, as an actor, but he's
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'Course, you have to also consider Rappy's "source", which also had this to say in its little "fact"-based story:
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The fact that Germany was by far the most cultured and artistically sophisticated country in the world at this time did not get in the way of Spacey's fabrication.
Nice to know Rappy pays such close attention to folks who idolize Hitler for his "culture" and artistic sophistication.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/greghengler/2011/04/05/actor_kevin_spacey
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"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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I'm still waiting for Rappy to admit that he was lying when ha called Spacey a "liar". After all, Rappy himself gets all bent out of shape when such words are applied to him (but has no qualms about calling others such things and refusing to apologize, even after he's been proven wrong). He also takes it quite personally when anyone claims that his messiah, W., was a liar.
"Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Lying. Only in RappyWorld™, it's not, because he insists that it's not a lie if the person telling it doesn't KNOW it's not true. But an actor should always fact-check things, while a President should not, it seems.
Strange situational ethics you've got there, boy.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Wait... isn't acting a type of lying?
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Kwickie,
Swing & another miss. And again...
The yellow cake story was true. Plame's husband is the liar. They both lied.
The fact that Kevin specifically set out to find this sort of quote is telling. He wanted to make a case for that which he wished were true, and cared not for the truth.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by Hardware:
Wait... isn't acting a type of lying?
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
But I saw the " historical documents ".
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Quote:The real story according to one biographer. What if WC did say it, but this particular biographer missed it? They make mistakes too.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The REAL story ...
But for argument's sake, let's assume this biographer is correct. So Kevin quoted something that is widely, but incorrectly, attributed to Winston Churchill. Do a google search on --winston churchill "what are we fighting for"-- and you'll find dozens, if not hundreds, of other people who have quoted it. (Google search actually returned 417,000 results. I'm pretty sure there are at least 150 people in there who cited the same quotation.)
Including the Vancouver Sun.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=4b2c1c6c-4e4e-4067-ae
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So how is one actor supposed to know wide attribution is incorrect? You see it so often, one just assumes it is common knowledge.
If you want to debunk that myth, that is fine. But to accuse dozens/hundreds of people of "lying" because they didn't read Winston Churchill's biographies before quoting him is unreasonable.
At worst, they made the mistake of not qualifying, "... attributed to Winston Churchill."
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I'll grant that Kevin may have unknowingly given false credit to WC. But the fact he sought out such a quote in the first place makes it all the more " hinky", imo.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Who cares about Kevin Spacey? Last I checked he was an actor, and the only people who know less about politics than actors are politicians.
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Quote:ROFL. Touché!
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Who cares about Kevin Spacey? Last I checked he was an actor, and the only people who know less about politics than actors are politicians.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'll grant that Kevin may have unknowingly given false credit to WC. But the fact he sought out such a quote in the first place makes it all the more " hinky", imo.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Hello,
I am aghast that someone would seek out supporting philosophies and arguments and quotes to bolster their own point of view.
Or... no, I'm not actually aghast at this. It seems rather normal.
In fact, half the discussions here on fff.net involve people seeking out supporting sources to bolster their arguments, logic, or causes.
The truth is that this thread has nothing to do with Spacey or Churchill. It is instead a device to score political points for a point of view in opposition to a political party.
It boils down neatly to this: "Libtards Lie, News at Eleven."
And but for the sake of making that statement, this thread would not exist here. It would instead exist in some obscure Historical debate forum. "Was Spacey Mistaken?" it might be called. Or "What is the origin of this fable?"
I wish at least that this had been framed in a less antagonistic fashion. One actually aimed at reasonable discussion.
Such as, "It turns out the quote is likely an artifact of the popular imagination, and not anything that Churchill actually said. But the real question is this: Do public dollars need to go to support the arts? There seems to be a common perception amongst some that if the arts are not actively supported by government, then they will dry up and blow away. I can't say I agree. I think the pursuit of artistic expression is innate to human beings, and not connected to or reliant on government support. What do you think?"
If only we could have those kinds of conversations instead of this one.
--Anthony
Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.
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