Love Kevin Spacey, as an actor, but he's
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Sorry Kevin, 'apparently' you have your story wrong.
Winston never said it, and Chris, you're a douche.
The REAL story ...
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1 June 1940 Colville Diary
The second matter concerned evacuation in the event of invasion, or even before invasion. This had been raised in several forms. The Foreign Office had put forward a suggestion to prepare to evacuate the Royal Family, and also the Government, to “some part of the Overseas Empire, where the war would continue to be waged.” When [Desmond] Morton passed on this request to Churchill, the Prime Minister answered: “I believe we shall make them rue the day they try to invade our island. No such discussion can be permitted.”
At this same moment, the Director of the National Gallery, Kenneth Clark, suggested that the paintings in the National Gallery should be sent from London to Canada. Churchill was likewise against this suggestion, and emphatically so. “No,” he minuted, “bury them in caves and cellars. None must go. We are going to beat them.”
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/greghengler/2011/04/05/actor_kevin_spacey
_makes_up_churchill_quote_to_demand_tax_payer_$_for_arts
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Huh. When you and your bunch get caught saying things that aren't true, you claim you aren't a "liar" if you didn't know they weren't true.
Could it be that he didn't *knowingly* say anything wrong?
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Kevin openly states that he set out to find specific quotes ... that basically make his case. Problem is, as we so often see w/ the Left, he ignored a thing I like to call reality , and simply went with a quote which SOUNDED like something he wanted to hear.
( Can anyone say rigged AGW data ? I know, I know..different thread ...stay on topic )
This 'professor' got it wrong. And while Chris claims that Churchill was one of his heroes, it didn't phase him in the least that the story Kevin just related was absolute bunk.
Some 'reporter' Matthews is, huh ? Let's let that thought settle in, why don't we ?
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Almost as good as that "reporter" interviewing Huckabee, when he was clarifying his "gaffe" about Obama's Kenyan upbringing by explaining that on page 183 of his book he specifically refers to Obama's childhood in Indonesia. Except he doesn't refer to it on page 183 of his book, because he doesn't refer to it anywhere in the book. It's not mentioned.
In other words - in YOUR words - Huckabee's a liar, and was clearly shown to be one.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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No, another double fail on your part.
There aren't ANY of ' my words' w/ regard to the Huckabee issue, as I never commented on it. Also, that has nothing what so ever to do w/ the made up quote Kevin went LOOKING for, and alas..found! Imagine his surprise!
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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I admire Winston's leadership of Britain during WWII, what I know of it sounds good to me. In case someone is going to point out his faults, yes, I know he wasn't perfect, but he did a good job when it counted and accepted help when needed etc. No leader is perfect.
But yeah Kevin Spacey is a good actor, but I find that actors often don't know as much as they think they know about the world.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Hello,
This thread makes me shake my head.
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From: http://q4td.blogspot.com/2010/12/then-what-are-we-fighting-for-winston
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Sunday, December 26, 2010
“Then what are we fighting for?”
— Winston Churchill in response to a suggestion of cutting arts funding to support the war effort
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From: http://issues.wnyc.org/wiki/index.php/Arts_and_Culture_Funding
Posted Jan 6 2010
"During the Second World War, Winston Churchill's finance minister said Britain should cut arts funding to support the war effort. Churchill's response: "Then what are we fighting for?""
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From: http://musing-museums.tumblr.com/post/1467761259/when-winston-churchil
l-was-asked-to-cut-arts-funding-in
Entry marked November 3
"When Winston Churchill was asked to cut arts funding in favour of the war effort, he simply replied ‘then what are we fighting for?’
Well said, Winston Churchill!
Thanks to museumstudies for the quote."
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From: http://missmakeamovie.blogspot.com/2008/10/then-what-are-we-fighting-f
or.html
Dated October 10, 2008
"During the Second World War, Winston Churchill's finance minister said Britain should cut arts funding to support the war effort.
Churchill's response: 'Then what are we fighting for?' " - Mark Leiren-Young, The Vancouver Sun, Oct.4-08
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From: http://thetweetwatch.com/Detail/Status/28783712141
Dated October 26
"When Winston Churchill was asked to cut arts funding in favor of the war effort, he simply replied, "Then what are we fighting for?" "
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As you can see, Mr. Spacey started lying about this quote at least as far back as 2008, when he somehow injected it into the popular consciousness. I bet if I continue my research, I will find that he invented the quote even further back. Perhaps even before he was born.
I think lying requires some intent. It is possible to be ignorant or misinformed.
I, myself, am ignorant. I have access to no authority on this subject. My only power is to conduct a web search and find dozens of people proclaiming this quote factually. Many 'facts' of our lives are derived thus. I can only imagine the rubbish that passes for truth in our minds.
Is the quote true or not? I know not. But I do know this: It's a great quote, I wish someone had said it. Clearly, a lot of people who idolize Churchill and love the arts think it was really said.
I forgive Mr. Spacey, and I am dismayed at the author of the thread. Not for casting light on ignorance, but for starting fires that have nothing to do with illumination.
--Anthony
Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.
P.S. http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1346677_should_we_c
are_about_cuts_to_greater_manchesters_art_scene
Even the Manchester Evening News seems to be misinformed about the ex Prime Minister.
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Sure, forgive Kevin for giving false info and then blame ME for pointing it out.
I see how it is here.
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But I do know this: It's a great quote, I wish someone had said it. Clearly, a lot of people who idolize Churchill and love the arts think it was really said.
But it wasn't really said, not by Churchill. And that's the key issue here.
Why Winston Churchill would be concerned with state FUNDING of the arts ,in the middle of a war, is somewhat absurd. Fact is, he was concerned with keeping in England that which belonged TO England. And THAT , I feel, is every bit as worthy a point...
The ARTS , as important as they may be, don't necessarily fall under the umbrella of 'proper function of government when it comes to funding. The Arts will carry on, whether they are funded by the Gov't or not.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Huh? What did kevin lie about. There is a big space on your first post. Is it supposed to be filled by something, or is this some kind of existential symbolism on your behalf?
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Oh, there is something there now. My bad. Shame. I liked the idea of existential symbolism.
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