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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
What do you mean microevolution/macroevolution,
Microevolution
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_36
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Microevolution
Macroevolution
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_47
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Macroevolution
Macroevolution is about evolution of species over geologic timescales that we induce, whereas microevolution is about evolution within a species we can actually observe.
I am very uncertain about macroevolutionary theories, though I am much more certain about microevolutionary ones.
Quote:This is just a matter of tradition. Everyone says KJV is the word of God, and that's the word of God. Everyone in Utah says it's the KJV + the Book of Mormon, then it's that. It's sort of arbitrary, based largely on trust in religious authorities and religious traditions.
and what constitutes a literal word of God?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Development_of_the_Chri
stian_Biblical_canon
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Hell, the only reason the Government hates crime at all is that it despises competition. - Frem
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I know this sets me apart from many Christians, but I do not believe the theory of evolution and the bible have to be mutually exclusive. After all, didn't evolution as we theorize happen in much the same order in which God created the world in genesis?
Concerning literalness, as I've said before, I believe the bible is the word of God as transcribed by man to the best of his abilities. I believe God has a plan for everything, and that human imperfections are not enough to ruin his message. A more holistic approach is necessary for true understanding of the bible. This doesn't mean we all have to be biblical scholars and read it in Greek and Hebrew, but it does mean we ought to consider the whole passage, chapter, and book rather than yank one verse out of context because it suits your agenda.
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Frem
Do you reserve the same contempt for socialists under a similar logic?
I reserve the same contempt for EVERYBODY under a similar logic - the very instant you decide to use force to ram your agenda down someone elses throat, or even suggest need or intention to do so, it's time to break some heads, and I am a big believer in deterrent force and pre-emptive action.
This mind you, *specifically* includes your pet peeve against a single philosophy you would initiate hostilities against without even fully understanding it, for reasons inexplicable to me.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
This doesn't mean we all have to be biblical scholars and read it in Greek and Hebrew,
I SO wanted to stay out of this thread, because my own beliefs are a confused mess. Being unsure, I don't want to impose my ideas on anybody, nor argue with someone about their sincere beliefs.
But I want to jump on that point.
The Greek and Hebrew are the original versions. Translating anything to any other language changes the meaning. Even literal word-for-word translation changes meaning. And if you try to translate the "whole meaning" of something, you change the metaphors or the poetry. Not to mention that the politics of the translators alter the meaning, often intentionally. To do serious work, one should learn the Hebrew and Greek and read the texts in those languages.
Of course, reading it in the vernacular is satisfactory for the purposes of the average church goer.
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Quote:I agree. If one is going to be literal, then one should be well, literal. I speak at least three languages, and have had to do my share of translations. Good translations cannot be literal, and literal translations often don't reflect the intent of the speaker correctly.
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
The Greek and Hebrew are the original versions. Translating anything to any other language changes the meaning.
That is why in Islam, one must learn Arabic to read the Qu'ran. Islam is literalist as well, but at least they do it the right way.
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Hell, the only reason the Government hates crime at all is that it despises competition. - Frem
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Of course, reading it in the vernacular is satisfactory for the purposes of the average church goer.
Exactly my point. It would be good to be able to read everything ever written in the original language it was written in, but sometimes for some people that just ain't practical. The message, however, remains intact despite the attempts of political forces to bend it to there agendas.
Perhaps Jesus anticipated this when he said
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Mt 22:36 “[Jesus], which is the great commandment in the law?” And he said to him, ’You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”
In a sense, everything else is window dressing. It's kind of a built in check on 'is this right?' The whole golden rule thing, treating those as you would be treated.
Not lookin' to argue ideology too much, just stating my opinion that God's truth is stronger than man's failings
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Good reference Happy Trader.
I'm reminded of the scene in Jaynestown where Book is trying to explain faith and belief to River.
I do think it is important for scholars to check stuff out with the original Hebrew and Greek, I believe its very important for anyone doing translation work to do this because I don't want things to get misrepresented. But I'm content to let others do this work and reap the benefits of their knowledge in their translation writing.
I do agree with Wulfenstar on one thing, I hate how beholden America is to China, I do wish we were a self sufficient nation once again and didn't rely on them for making our stuff, errrrrr..
And I saw that creation museum on TV once, it looked fun and cool to me.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Hegseth says US ‘can’t stop everything’ that Iran fires even as he asserts air dominance
https://www.ktsa.com/hegseth-says-us-cant-stop-everything-that-iran-fi
res-even-as-he-asserts-air-dominance/
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