SPOILERS!!! Discussion of Inception
POSTED BY: jewelstaitefan
UPDATED: Thursday, April 16, 2015 05:07
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
For example, if the father of the children isn't able to raise them... Why aren't they living with their next nearest relative, such as their grandfather?
I forget who the lady on the phone was who got the children to hang up on him and what her relationship was, maybe they are. Still. There's also the issue Mal4Prez brought up that we never see anything about the pregnancy or birth of the children in the flashbacks or dreams.
Hmm, none of that strikes me as important. Lack of unnessesary detail does not mean it doesn't work. Especially Mal's points - there are LOTS of things we didn't see in the flashbacks. Knowing they had kids was the important info - seeing a pregnancy or birth is pointless. And who knows what guardianship was set up? Not nessesary to the story.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Maybe, but not knowing the specifics allows that the kids, the father-in-law, heck, everything might just be the construct of a dream.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Sidenote: I think Leonardo DiCapprio is not a good actor. >_> He can say a line, and say it with emotion, but he always plays the same character in every movie, personality wise.
I agree. That's why in my OP the query of him channeling Ray Liotta.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Something that I don't think was clearly pointed out, and I lost the train of thought a few times.
Cobb seems to imply that the concept of the token was his, and also that the concept of Inception was his as well.
Yet he seems to have no token.
He uses the top as if it is his token, however it is his wife's token, and it is explained that you cannot use somebody else's token, it will give you false indications.
The top is his wife's token, so SHE did HAVE a token.
Cobb apparently DOES NOT have a token.
Though most people still havn't caught this, Cobb did have a totem - it just wasn't the top. As you poi8nted out, it was his wife's, he never claimed it to be his. His totem was never mentioned or overtly pointed out, but it's there.
It's his wedding ring.
I'm not buying your suggestion yet. My attempts to consider your claim find a lack of logical foundation.
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It's on his hand in every in-dream sequence, and gone during all "real world" stuff (including the end). And every scene has at least one shot that prominently features his hand (so as to track whether or not he's wearing it).
Not every scene had a shot of his ring finger.
It was on his hand in the scene when Mal jumped, as well as when he spun the top in the dollhouse safe. Are you saying this means he was dreaming when she jumped, and she returned to reality, indicating the entire film's presentation of Cobb's "reality" was actually his first level dream?
I did not see clearly at the end. On the plane there was some sunlight reflecting off something of that hand, couldn't tell if it was the ring. No shot in the Customs scene, nor the baggage scene. When he spins the top at the house, his hand flourish obscures his ring finger. Are you claiming that in some scene after awaking on plane his finger is shown to not have the ring on?
When he spins the top and cocks the gun, ready to blow his head off, he does not even glance at his ring finger, he is intently focused on the top. When the top falls, he relaxes and puts the gun back. How does this not qualify as "overtly pointed out" - at least what Cobb thinks of as his totem? Or is the top the totem for only this one scene (the audition), and then he changes totems for other scenes? Readying for suicide seems a mite bit overtly pointed to me.
The critical and pivotal scene for these purposes is the scene where Mal jumps and Cobb does not. The reference level of whether all other scenes are real or what level of dream they are are derived from the basis of this scene.
There seem to be only 3 possibilities for this scene (please exlain additional possibilities).
1. Cobb and Mal are in reality, and Mal jumps to her death. This seems to be the "face-value" presentation of the film, or at-first-glance.
2. Cobb and Mal are in one of their mutual dreams, Mal jumps and returns to reality to care for their kids while Cobb is lost to dreamworld. The entirety of the film is thus in dream world, even the end (if he returns to reality where Mal is, he would still be married and wearing the ring just like when he last left reality.)
3. Cobb is dreaming that Mal jumps, it is not Mal with him in this point of the dream, but his construct of her that jumps. From this point forward in his dream (which he considers to be reality), whenever Mal shows up, he assumes this real Mal (albeit dream-sharing) is a construct of his mind in the dream. Clearly, one option open to Mal is to return to reality herself and regroup with help to come back into his dream and get him to kick out for a reason other than her pleading.
So, at this point, in this scene, we must determine whether he is dreaming or not, what is his totem, if he has one (or had one). The claim that his wedding ring is his totem makes very little sense - if he thinks he is in reality, then he is married to Mal, why would he not be wearing a ring? They grew old together already in deeper leve
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And so, if it seems Cobb has no totem prior to Mal jumping, and Mal herself has the only totem prior to that, then she is the only person with a totem, and Cobb does not, so why would we think Cobb is the one who knew whether they were in a dream or reality? Other than merely because the story is told from Cobb's POV.
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I must review this.
Has anybody changed their thoughts about this story? Have different perspective?
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Good pickup. That did enter my mind during the film, because I did remember that she played Paif in a foreign film about the singer.
SGG
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
All the big booming music was the wake-up tune that they played through the ear phones, slowed down. Brilliant. The deeper they go, the more time slows, the deeper, slower and boomier the music gets. I just love it.
Seeing as you guys bought up the music in the film I thought I'd mention this now as I don't think anyone else has. Probably nothing to do with the plot, just a nice coincidence....
....but the music used in the earphones to wake them up was that French song about regret or no regrets by Edith Piaf. She was recently played by Marion Cotillard in a film who of course also plays Mal.
Something? Not something?
"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall
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SPOILERS!
A little bit of recap:
Does anybody think that Cobb's totem was the spinning top that was Mal's totem?
Does anybody think that the film ended in the real world, at zero levels or layers of dream?
Does anybody think that the grandfather (Michael Caine) who works as professor in Paris commuted to home in Los Angeles?
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