GO-Bag and General Carry
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 03:45
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LMAO Hardware - just imagine lugging the standard 80-pounder, AND an M60A1 crew served with an AA barrel on it at port arms with the loading pan hooked in your web gear to hold it up, and a full box of ammo attached to the back of said web gear along with six 40MM grenades on the front for your loaders M-79...
And being all of 5'6" and maybe 130 some lbs, soakin wet, with boots on.
I did this for a multitude of reasons, primarily cause nutters get a free pass on paperwork, which I hated worse than lugging all that, but also cause third-rate expendable supply units are the second to hit the ground in a conflict, and the only reliable anti-armor we had which might do for a cold-war BMP, was the half-belt of AP ammo at the bottom of that can - but also cause the M16 of the time would not fire reliably no matter what, and the M60A1 had NO problem with going bang when you pulled the trigger... getting it to STOP however (aka Run-away-fire), was another matter entire.
Of course, I am sidewalking the argument as a whole cause it amounts to Anarchist argument tactics anyways...
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Pots: KETTLES MUST DIE, YEEARGGHH!
Kettles: POTS MUST DIE, YEEARGGH!
Anarchists: Ok, anyone bring popcorn ?
Cause that's kinda how it goes sometimes, and all one can do is watch, really.
We *did* have a bit of fun with badly worded open-carry laws in a suburb of Houston for a while, where it became a game to go grocery shopping while strapped with the most esoteric, archaic, bizzare collection of hardware you could possibly adorn yourself with, which for me at the time included a cavalry sword, and I think I might still have that three-headed flail around here somewhere...
Although it was damn funny when some hoodlum asked me what I would *DO* if he pulled a gun, and I just smiled as Mella put her double-barrell sawed off gently against his spine.
ProTip: The girl standing off to one side of me, doesn't matter what she looks like, she's there for muscle, everyone knows this, locally, leading to the endless amusement of the 4' 10" 90lb Wendy, who does the whole mafia torpedo thing for laughs... especially since it actually *works* after what she did to those creeps who tried to crash her place, oh man.
Actually the one to look out for is Sarah, who started carrying a zapgun so potent it comes with a warning that using it constitutes lethal force after the college cops turned out to be useless, and you do NOT want her behind you with that thing.
Anyhow, to get back on topic - here's part of WHY for them that might take a reasonable argument.
Detroit women get no help in arrest of alleged car thief
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110121/METRO01/101210376/Detroit-wome
n-get-no-help-in-arrest-of-alleged-car-thief
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An alleged car thief got more than he bargained for when three women yanked him out of the vehicle he was trying to steal, held him down and made a citizen's arrest.
But when the women repeatedly called Detroit Police, they said nobody responded, so they decided to walk the man to the nearby Central District police station. On the way, they said they encountered a Detroit police officer — who they claim refused to take the man into custody.
When your so-called protectors will not protect you, and instead prey on you as badly or worse as the bad actors in your society, who then does your defense fall to BUT you ?
Although I am right pissed cause while EMT and Fire Services cannot even respond effectively due to police sucking up all the budget money, it gets pissed away on shit like THIS
DPS unveils $5.6M police center
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110121/SCHOOLS/101210370/1409/DPS-unv
eils-$5.6M-police-center
And yes, I call bullshit, on the notion that this draconian concept has any bloody thing to do with public safety, in fact, would ANYONE, ANYONE AT ALL, care to take bets with me on how long before this is abused as a peepshow or a harrassment tactic against students who aren't servile enough, hmmm ?
Especially considering *just how often* I've ca
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I would add to Frems rant..
Even if you could trust in good cops, they are kind of heavy, and hard to keep chained in a basement.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Actually most of my local ones ain't, nor are they roid-boys, since our efforts to rein them in and make them behave have not only been effective, but replacing them with contract security has had mutual benefit and inspired them to compete to remain relevant - as well as allocate themselves to the situation where you really *NEED* someone with law enforcement powers on the spot, versus a few quiet words or implied threats to resolve a problem.
Many of the "issues" around here, bothering with an actual police response is like swatting flies with a lincoln town car.
That said, there's an ongoing antagonism between me and them cause sterotypes be damned, I *DO* like my fuckin donuts, and for them to be police and not partake... it's, it's.. BLASPHEMY, it's HERESY, unacceptable!
Ok, I kid, I kid... but I *do* mercilessly screw with them about it.
To which, for your amusement, you GOT to hand it to the Clare Michigan Police Dept, they *bought* the freakin donut shop, and now operate it.
http://www.copsdoughnuts.com/
The available apparel is a nice touch, I actually have one of the "Don't glaze me, bro" T-shirts, hehehe.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by Hardware:
12 Americans are killed every day in crimes committed by illegal aliens. Does this count?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39031
So what you are saying is that it would be better to be killed by an American citizen?
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Ever been a victim of crime? I've been carjacked. Does that make me "paranoid" or once burned, twice shy?
Somewhere where there is regaular carjacking would fit my definition of crime being terribly out of control. I can think of some parts of the world where I would seriously think of taking a weapon if I had to go there - Johanasburg is one of them - notorious for carjacking and murder and rape is kind of a hobby for some.
And in answer to your question, yes I have been a victim of crime. I've been burgarled (3 X)
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Actually, I'm a fat old man who has had his share of scuffling on the ground with someone, doesn't want any more holes poked in my precious anatomy and is impatient with idiots who want what does not belong to them.
You see that's where I lose sympathy a bit with some of the gun carrying stuff. If you are doing it to protect your life because you live in the war zone, fair enough. If you are doing it because someone might nick your wallet, hmmm. Another solution is not to carry anything valuable with you. I walk around with $50 cash max. Anybody wants to mug me, they can have my wallet. I'd rather hand it over and cancel my credit cards than get into a deadly gun fight.
Quote:I'm not comfortable with people carrying guns at all, but if I visit your neck of the woods, I'll psyche myself up to it.
And as stated, SEMI-automatic. Or would it be all okay with you if I carried a revolver?
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Magon
You left one out
- you want to commit a crime.
haha, thanks for reminding me.
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"I'm not comfortable with people carrying guns at all, but if I visit your neck of the woods, I'll psyche myself up to it."
Magons,
Im not comfortable with people telling me that I should forfeit my families safety on the whims of spoiled, over-privaledged, bitches and assholes living behind guilded walls.
Fuck that. Like I should EVER sacrifice the safety of me and mine so some spoiled people can feel "more comfortable"?
Never in this life.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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If you are doing it because someone might nick your wallet, hmmm. Another solution is not to carry anything valuable with you. I walk around with $50 cash max. Anybody wants to mug me, they can have my wallet. I'd rather hand it over and cancel my credit cards than get into a deadly gun fight.
I'm with ya there, possibly the only place I agree lol. The loss of property is not worth the loss of life, anyone's. But, what if your mugger was also a rapist?
I'm not saying the gun will actually do any good, just that people, women especially, should have the right to arm and defend themselves. My personal opinion is that we'd be better off learning to defend ourselves with some form of martial arts. Less lethal, and in close quarters probably more effective.
IMO the right the bear arms is worth the price of some folks misusing and abusing them. That may sound cruel to some people, but it's not as if I don't consider people's lives important. I respect their lives and right to make their own choices.
EDIT: I've been mugged once, shortly after I left the small town I grew up in for a bigger (though not exactly big) city for college. I actually had no money on me, it was just frightening. It didn't inspire me to buy a knife or a gun, but it did inspire me to take up some martial arts training when my college schedule finally allowed for it.
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"I'm not saying the gun will actually do any good, just that people, women especially, should have the right to arm and defend themselves."
- "God made man, but Sam Colt made them equal."
"My personal opinion is that we'd be better off learning to defend ourselves with some form of martial arts. Less lethal, and in close quarters probably more effective."
- Martial arts are effective right up to the point they are not. Why not have both?
"IMO the right the bear arms is worth the price of some folks misusing and abusing them. That may sound cruel to some people, but it's not as if I don't consider people's lives important. I respect their lives and right to make their own choices."
- Amen
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Yup.
I think there may be a certain cultural pride in being perceived as formidable, dangerous people. However, I also think the average person here is much like the average person anywhere.Quote:
Yup too.
This forum is not a representative sample. Firefly is a gunslinger show, among other things. You get a much more gun weilding fanbase than the general population.
I love this thread...Wulf likes to talk about violence, especially guns, so he puts up a question related to same. And there goes the gun argument again. Well done, Wulf, you got exactly what you set out to get.
As for me: Wallet, keys, cell phone, foldable close-up glasses, pen, sunglasses (can’t go outside without them; thanks, bipolarity), cigarettes, and a small bottle of ice tea and lip balm (thank you medications for both), handkerchief (thanx nasal drip). In the car, spare cigs/lighter, spare sunglasses, tissues, brush, spare handkerchief, and I don’t know what else. Back when I used to carry a purse, the list would be too long to type, and then yes, I did carry a big old buck knife. Had to give it up when returning from England---so pissed off I told them to keep it; sorry I didn’t have them send it with me, I kinda miss it. Very useful for any number of things.
I do realize your question was intended to illicit information on what weapons people carry and start yet ANOTHER useless conversation about guns and violence, and I can’t help smiling at that and how you managed to move it into a discussion of guns. Magons speaks for me in the post beginning “You and I see things differently”.Quote:
Bullshit. Prove it. With statistics or other facts.
Gun owners and those that carry, are generally more polite and non-aggressive than others.Quote:
Sure you can, if you’re drunk, high on about anything but marijuana, or so angry you’re not thinking straight. What it IS and what the consequences will be have nothing to do with how people react...it happens.
You can't get into an argument, and pull your gunQuote:
Also bullshit, for the same above reasons.
You can't get into a physical altercation, because you might end up losing your gun, and having it turned on you.Quote:
That’s your opinion; it definitely doesn’t hold true for the majority of people who carry guns. Again: prove it.
Carrying a weapon is a huge responsibility. You mean to protect yourself, friends, family, property and neighbors. But you also have to be the kindest, most polite, sober person on the planet.Quote:
I question your cite for that. It freely admits its figures come from “a number of groups” which have “produced estimates based on data collected” and caveats itself all over theplace:
12 Americans are killed every day in crimes committed by illegal aliens.Quote:
“Independent research”? The wording of the article makes it clear it’s intended to show a high number of deaths by illegal aliens. Given the thinking of the right on the subject of illegal aliens and that it's provided by a Republican, I don’t consider it a reliable source for figures on gun deaths throughout the country.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Yeah, we got a crime problem, and an illegal alien problem but it’s not about them alone.Quote:
That works out to 81 people a day. That makes the deaths by illegal aliens pretty miniscule.
In 2004, there were 29,569 gun deaths in the U.S:Quote:
Th
I really hope that someday you wake up to the realities of the world. But even then, most people are not fit to carry a weapon.
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While I was posting that:Quote:
There's our Wulf, our black-and-white thinker, incapable of even conceiving that anyone who isn't all his adjectives might want SOME CURB on the kinds of guns/ammo freely available, rather than a "whim", and that (I'm guessing) most guns aren't used to protect someone's family's safety. The statement is disproportionate and completely irrelevant to the discussion. He got what he wanted...again...a platform to spew.
people telling me that I should forfeit my families(sic) safety on the whims of spoiled, over-privaledged, bitches and assholes living behind guilded walls.Quote:
Now that’s not just stupid, it’s not true.
"God made man, but Sam Colt made them equal."
I have no problem with guns, and I think it might be fun to learn to shoot one. I'd consider it much the same I consider the bebe gun I scare rats off with (except that a bullet from a real gun might go into the next yard...I'm speaking merely in respect to I'd view it as something which, if I weren't careful, might hurt someone). That doesn't mean I think it's right for everyone to walk around with guns which were created especially for those who want to kill a lot of people all at once. You know, that old invisible middle ground.
This is ridiculous. Why not let the gunbunnies talk among themselves and talk about what kind of gun they carry, rather than waste time trying to debate their misguided and over-the-top points? It’s a personal decision, and this discussion, just like the birther one, will only waste time. There is a difference between wanting to ban all guns (which NOBODY does) and finding a decent middle ground, where those who think they need to (or actually DO need to) can carry a gun, while some things are inappropriate for the general public to easily acquire. But they’ll never grasp that; to people like Wulf, there are only two options...let people have anything they want, and ban everything. It’s not a discussion you can have.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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